tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post2604993660309611297..comments2024-03-23T04:23:48.076+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Let's VoteUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-52343041658074894662009-02-20T09:22:00.000+00:002009-02-20T09:22:00.000+00:00In Argentina I noticed that while the craft or ind...In Argentina I noticed that while the craft or independent brews were often called 'artisan' on menus, the rest - Quilmes and the like - were sometimes labelled as 'industrial', which I rather liked. <BR/><BR/>I think it could work here. How about Stella 'Reassuringly Industrial'?<BR/><BR/>But in this case I think real ale is the established nomenclature and it does the job so we are probably stuck with it. So I voted cask...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-76879325948975931142009-02-19T22:32:00.000+00:002009-02-19T22:32:00.000+00:00None of the above - Proper beer.None of the above - Proper beer.NAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247378318975737305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-8402498726122598472009-02-19T18:52:00.000+00:002009-02-19T18:52:00.000+00:00DaveYes, the term "Fine Ales" is often seen round ...Dave<BR/><BR/>Yes, the term "Fine Ales" is often seen round Manchester. It usually means the opposite.Sat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-75556037514816740412009-02-19T18:03:00.000+00:002009-02-19T18:03:00.000+00:00Woolpack Dave: I have seen the terms "Fined Ales"...Woolpack Dave: I have seen the terms "Fined Ales" and "Brewery Conditioned Ales" used at the point of dispense; both terms were obviously designed to deceive the unwary.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-9750666883892883562009-02-19T17:09:00.000+00:002009-02-19T17:09:00.000+00:00Well, I could go elsewhere for a pint of live, tra...Well, I <I>could</I> go elsewhere for a pint of live, traditional, handpulled, cask ale, but the one on offer doesn't taste as nice as the filtered keg ale.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-13084290708209938342009-02-19T17:04:00.000+00:002009-02-19T17:04:00.000+00:00But not live, traditional, handpulled or cask. I w...But not live, traditional, handpulled or cask. I win! (-;Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-33732874157267631942009-02-19T17:00:00.000+00:002009-02-19T17:00:00.000+00:00And I'm off to the Bull & Castle for some ...And I'm off to the Bull & Castle for some extremely real filtered keg ale.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-15441840307636717802009-02-19T16:57:00.000+00:002009-02-19T16:57:00.000+00:00Jeff, you are a mate. Of course you can vote!I don...Jeff, you are a mate. Of course you can vote!<BR/><BR/>I don't think we should or will throw away the term either. Now I'm off to the THT for some traditional, live, handpulled, cask, real ale.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-78168195705739181102009-02-19T16:52:00.000+00:002009-02-19T16:52:00.000+00:00As a Yank, I don't think I get a vote. But as a co...As a Yank, I don't think I get a vote. But as a comment, I'd say I've been hearing about "real ale" for decades and finally got to try it two years ago. Last summer, my son called from Scotland to tell me that he'd finally understood what "real ale" meant and he was desperately in love.<BR/><BR/>I just don't understand why you would throw away a term that works.jefffranehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17699992839260757505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-82257166117687035702009-02-19T15:13:00.000+00:002009-02-19T15:13:00.000+00:00Beer. Just beer. Whether it's cask conditioned, bo...Beer. Just beer. Whether it's cask conditioned, bottled and filtered, kegged lager... I don't care as long as tastes good. Real Ale implies the rest is inferior. Live ale implies the other stuff is dead... well, dead things can be tasty too!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03387325466589229898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-59393708007544685552009-02-19T13:51:00.000+00:002009-02-19T13:51:00.000+00:00Zak, it's best not to answer "No" to a customer, I...Zak, it's best not to answer "No" to a customer, I find. It is one thing in this trade I've learnt. Always think of an alternative to offer the customer if the exact requirement can't be matched. Sometimes, unfortunatly, I don't think fast enough.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-46516535710394876312009-02-19T13:42:00.000+00:002009-02-19T13:42:00.000+00:00No more than you can reason with a southerner on t...No more than you can reason with a southerner on the same subject.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, last night I saw “Fine Ales” advertised outside a pub.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-3707536875272712832009-02-19T10:45:00.000+00:002009-02-19T10:45:00.000+00:00Don't go there.There's no reasoning with a Norther...Don't go there.<BR/><BR/>There's no reasoning with a Northerner on beer dispense ;-)Dubbelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035458276989843392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-24857726084717785622009-02-19T10:42:00.000+00:002009-02-19T10:42:00.000+00:00I say it do. And as far as the original question ...I say it do. <BR/><BR/>And as far as the original question goes, I don't see any point in changing to some other term. "Real Ale" even shows up in my Krautsch-Englisch dictionary as...well..."Real Ale".<BR/><BR/>Any other of the terms would have to be explained to the unwashed as well as "real ale" would, and the explanation behind "real ale" is as good as I think it could be. "Traditional Ale" might be better, but it'd be an extra three bloody syllables!<BR/><BR/>Wait...my new electronic dictionary says: "esp. British, produced according to traditional methods, keg-fermented, unfiltered, and unpasteurised beer". (my transtlation)<BR/><BR/>And <A HREF="http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=real+ale" REL="nofollow">Leo der Große</A> says "beer brewed according to tradtional methods".<BR/><BR/>So don't change it, lest the Krauts will have to re-write their Wörterbücher.Erlangernickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564871714656285737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-66249766134655349112009-02-19T10:21:00.000+00:002009-02-19T10:21:00.000+00:00Regrettably, logical as it may seem, the one doesn...Regrettably, logical as it may seem, the one doesn't follow the other in this case.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-27981467554434853452009-02-19T10:19:00.000+00:002009-02-19T10:19:00.000+00:00Jawohl! It's all perfectly logical though: If gr...Jawohl! <BR/><BR/>It's all perfectly logical though: If gravity pour is better than one extraneous method to pump and alter the character of the original beer (CO2), then it's also better than another extraneous method to pump and alter the character of the original beer (beer engine-swan neck-sparkler).Erlangernickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564871714656285737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-66071843616851273712009-02-19T07:48:00.000+00:002009-02-19T07:48:00.000+00:00Not in Germany though!Not in Germany though!Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-30036086325053410232009-02-19T06:43:00.000+00:002009-02-19T06:43:00.000+00:00Gravity dispense is a "peculiar und unfathomable o...Gravity dispense is a "peculiar und unfathomable obsession"? Very funny.Erlangernickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564871714656285737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-23479799477017814052009-02-18T23:24:00.000+00:002009-02-18T23:24:00.000+00:00Live is good. You could start a new revolution wi...Live is good. You could start a new revolution with that.Boakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657725007230709027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-27682568197395020492009-02-18T19:35:00.000+00:002009-02-18T19:35:00.000+00:00True enough, although if any landlord, working wit...True enough, although if any landlord, working with either gravity or electric dispense answered a flat "No" to my question, well, stuff 'em.Zak Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10650929798289995172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-13935327575636978802009-02-18T18:38:00.000+00:002009-02-18T18:38:00.000+00:00Real Ale, I still think it sums things up the best...Real Ale, I still think it sums things up the best.Kieran Haslett-Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562970144894398803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-2503539310758411282009-02-18T18:02:00.000+00:002009-02-18T18:02:00.000+00:00I've got serious objections to most things CAMRA s...I've got serious objections to most things CAMRA say, but there you go...Gazza Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834776854227668409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-58090031258673060842009-02-18T15:23:00.000+00:002009-02-18T15:23:00.000+00:00Blimey. From the way this discussion is going it l...Blimey. From the way this discussion is going it looks like there's a serious objection to the words "CAMRA says this is Real Ale" appearing on bottle labels.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-91667064297187303512009-02-18T12:31:00.001+00:002009-02-18T12:31:00.001+00:00The beer engine does add complexity to the mouthfe...The beer engine does add complexity to the mouthfeel and body of a beer. I don't think cask really describes the situation though. I know a couple of pubs that serve polypins through their handpumps. Is this still cask, or 'real' ale?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11979252489432311435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-24305683805818741082009-02-18T12:31:00.000+00:002009-02-18T12:31:00.000+00:00The beer engine does add complexity to the mouthfe...The beer engine does add complexity to the mouthfeel and body of a beer. I don't think cask really describes the situation though. I know a couple of pubs that serve polypins through their handpumps. Is this still cask, or 'real' ale?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11979252489432311435noreply@blogger.com