tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post3588838040708800903..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Juke Box BluesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-65879624587898956542011-08-27T20:45:58.855+01:002011-08-27T20:45:58.855+01:00Tandleman's message, which can be summarised a...Tandleman's message, which can be summarised as "horses for courses", is correct. In a pub, if you can't hear the people you're sitting with, then the music's too loud. This is a view I've held since my student days, so, CL, it has nothing to do with age. And, CL, if you apply that approach all the time, you can confidently expect to wear hearing aids when you're older. <br /><br />I have less than perfect hearing so a high noise level can effectively make me deaf, even though those I'm with can still hear each other. It must be a real problem for those with much worse hearing than mine.<br /><br />There are exceptions: you don't go into the Swan expecting to be guaranteed a quiet chat, and if there is an advertised music night, like a band or karaoke (wash my mouth out!), you know the noise will be greater.<br /><br />I drink in Liverpool regularly - I'll be there on Bank Holiday Monday - but for a short visit, I'd recommend the Lion, the Ship & Mitre, the Globe and the Dispensary.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-4927691365032049662011-08-25T16:06:20.867+01:002011-08-25T16:06:20.867+01:00To me, pubs are for chat, not music. One of my big...To me, pubs are for chat, not music. One of my big gripes about even specialist beer bars in America is that they often insist on playing ridiculously loud music supposedly because "that's what the customers want". Thankfully the Richmond was quiet when I visited a couple of months back so I guess it probably depends on what time it is and who is behind the bar. But external speakers are just plain wrong. As another former Liverpool resident, albeit a few years before you, I do love the pubs there. And by a remarkable coincidence, I have just put the finishing touches to a Liverpool pub guide. http://chrisobeer.blogspot.com/2011/08/going-down-to-liverpool-big-pub-guide.htmlchrisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237048759619426609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-86229956315419608092011-08-24T14:44:36.708+01:002011-08-24T14:44:36.708+01:00It's about context and expectations. If you go...It's about context and expectations. If you go to a pub on a Friday night you would expect the music to be louder then on a Tuesday afternoon. Also the amount of people in a place will affect your expecations of the volume of the music.<br /><br />I dislike pubs that play music too quiet just as much as I dislike music that is too loud. If you are going to play music that is just audible then what is the point, you may as well not be playing music at all. Of course you cannot please all of your customers. Some people object to there being any music at all, although these people are a minority. <br /><br />If you cannot easily hear somebody sat next to you, then you may as well be in a nightclub or city centre bar, so the music is clearly too loud. <br /><br />I agree with Curmudgeon, too often the music is played for the benefit of the staff not the customers. I always reminded my staff that the music was for the customers not their own pleasure.<br /><br />One pet hate of mine is pubs that play commercial radio stations. The last thing that I want when I'm in a pub is to hear the latest attention seeking advert popping up every fifteen minutes. I remember being in one pub where an advert featuring a loud beeping alarm clock regularly appeared. We left.Saga Of Nailshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891668833405154713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-81823500428284315002011-08-24T14:40:26.763+01:002011-08-24T14:40:26.763+01:00I'm glad it isn't just me and you confirm ...I'm glad it isn't just me and you confirm the accuracy of what I said. Next time the Lion then.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-41044228332519853002011-08-24T14:15:36.988+01:002011-08-24T14:15:36.988+01:00Weird how I never mind the music in The Swan, it&#...Weird how I never mind the music in The Swan, it's one of the best bits of it, but in so many other pubs it drives me up the wall. The Phil does itself no favours with the music, especially after they've just had a decent refit.<br /><br />I was in the White Star at the weekend and it's such a wasted pub, it should be amazing.. instead, in the back room, they have 2 PA cabs mounted on the ceiling and a strobe light. In a really traditional 'loungue' area.<br /><br />The Lion Tavern gets it totally right in my mind.bornagainsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06776517414202117663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-42183853810983442192011-08-23T16:10:03.192+01:002011-08-23T16:10:03.192+01:00External speakers are just wrong, full stop. They ...External speakers are just wrong, full stop. They would make me think twice about going in a place.Sat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-92000421649489022152011-08-23T13:57:51.008+01:002011-08-23T13:57:51.008+01:00I'm with you and enjoy just the natural backgr...I'm with you and enjoy just the natural background sound or light background music which is non-invasive. I particularly dislike very loud music. I go to the pub to talk to people and not to have my head filled with music. <br /><br />Saying that, somewhere between pints 4 and 5, if the right song comes on then I like nothing more than a favourite song to play loudly...Mark Dredgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11421095862178324693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-20442305479528707292011-08-23T13:11:41.185+01:002011-08-23T13:11:41.185+01:00Bet it put you right off your schooner of unfined ...Bet it put you right off your schooner of unfined keg mild.Baileyhttp://boakandbailey.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-26940426845519368062011-08-23T12:32:44.275+01:002011-08-23T12:32:44.275+01:00"I reckon they use music in pubs to influence...<i>"I reckon they use music in pubs to influence the age profile of the clientele."</i><br /><br />That may be the theory, but when you're in a traditional pub with an average customer age of around 55, and they're playing Radio 1, it's just the bar staff taking the piss.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-42573916142858831552011-08-23T12:32:27.321+01:002011-08-23T12:32:27.321+01:00Cookie - I understand that but when the pub's ...Cookie - I understand that but when the pub's clientele is of an agewhere they don't want that and it is day time - I forgot to mention that - then it is inappropriate.<br /><br />Bailey - Then they failed. It was mostly middle aged people who had to bellow above the din.<br /><br />And what about external speakers?Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-73575966046594283642011-08-23T12:26:19.122+01:002011-08-23T12:26:19.122+01:00I reckon they use music in pubs to influence the a...I reckon they use music in pubs to influence the age profile of the clientele. It's the reverse of when they use classical music or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito" rel="nofollow">the mosquito</a> to stop teenagers gathering in public places.<br /><br />If you can't have a conversation without shouting, though, the music is too loud.<br /><br />Rule of thumb for noise levels in a pub: you should be able to hear the people you're with perfectly, but not the conversation of the people at the next table.Baileyhttp://boakandbailey.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-23535955603769299082011-08-23T12:22:49.525+01:002011-08-23T12:22:49.525+01:00Cookie, once you reach a certain age you have to a...Cookie, once you reach a certain age you have to ask for the music to be turned up to be able to hear it...Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-7686756314863710492011-08-23T12:15:33.040+01:002011-08-23T12:15:33.040+01:00When music is too loud it means you're too old...When music is too loud it means you're too old.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-32882978251241411072011-08-23T10:48:50.653+01:002011-08-23T10:48:50.653+01:00All too often, the music seems to be chosen for th...All too often, the music seems to be chosen for the benefit of the bar staff rather than the customers, and is of a type that appeals to a much younger demographic than the average punter in that pub. At least a jukebox allows the punters to have some say in what is played.<br /><br />Mind you, I reckon you can't go wrong with <i>Classic Power Ballads of the 80s</i> ;-)Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-37489473498897925482011-08-23T10:36:32.994+01:002011-08-23T10:36:32.994+01:00I absolutely love drinking in Liverpool. One of my...I absolutely love drinking in Liverpool. One of my best mates lives there and I use any excuse to get over for a few drinks.<br /><br />I also went there on a stag do and had a great time, without any of the usual stag do pitfalls. Good beer, good pubs, good company. I particularly like the Phil. Always good beer on and it has a bustling atmosphere, can't say I noticed any music at the time but im sure it changes day to day.<br /><br />I actually wrote about my pic of the best beer bars/pubs a while back too <a href="http://eatingisntcheating.blogspot.com/2011/02/guide-to-some-of-liverpools-best-beer.html" rel="nofollow">http://eatingisntcheating.blogspot.com/2011/02/guide-to-some-of-liverpools-best-beer.html</a>Neil, Eating isn't Cheatinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08675093938811871515noreply@blogger.com