tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post3789284457042362658..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Let's Just Have a Good TimeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-20356457935416927592011-08-08T01:11:10.417+01:002011-08-08T01:11:10.417+01:00website hits in this situation don't mean much...website hits in this situation don't mean much. local camra websites aren't part of the national site whereas everything brewdog is under the same domain. Also brewdog has a younger audience than camra so a greater proprtion of its supporters will be web savvy. Not to mention that people will refresh browser windows (new "hit") when waiting for the launch of a new beer. There's so many other reasons why website hits mean very little in this context but I'm tired and going to bed. Goodnightbeersiveknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13293913182389157112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-47944286315224408342011-07-31T08:05:40.339+01:002011-07-31T08:05:40.339+01:00Thanks Alan. CAMRA seems to rank higher in GB at l...Thanks Alan. CAMRA seems to rank higher in GB at least.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-12906347263324031052011-07-30T18:55:57.899+01:002011-07-30T18:55:57.899+01:00Now that I am being positive and helpful in everyt...Now that I am being positive and helpful in everything every day, I can share <a href="http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/brewdog.com" rel="nofollow">this</a>... because it is nice to share.<br /><br />AlanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-13234476446785004072011-07-30T08:02:05.710+01:002011-07-30T08:02:05.710+01:00How does Martyn know? Is this another aspect of ge...How does Martyn know? Is this another aspect of geekery that has eluded me? Is there a table published somewhere or is this done as a hobby? Like phone hacking.<br /><br />Whew.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-87167576214427371852011-07-30T07:56:11.845+01:002011-07-30T07:56:11.845+01:00Martyn
Now I'm bemused. You seem to be indulg...Martyn<br /><br />Now I'm bemused. You seem to be indulging in a spot of "my dad is bigger than your dad." I will quite happily take your word for it that Brewdog get more hits than Camra and ranks higher than Fullers. <br /><br />But so what? <br /><br />Surely all that proves is that, er, they get more hits and rank higher. Not very meaningful in the real world, I'd say.Sat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-2874782209781976312011-07-30T07:18:14.337+01:002011-07-30T07:18:14.337+01:00I had a pint of that cross eyed dog and hated it,t...I had a pint of that cross eyed dog and hated it,too cold and probably oneOf those trick fonts that made keg look like cask. I like brewdog beers ,but laugh at idea they are new and trendy ,just read the nerd speak on the side of the bottles,defo written by the spotty virgin type, anything sold in the devil Tesco cannot be cool.maybe we should have a great British dog fest where brewdog and Alans cross eyed dog can lord it over us, they can have physical fights between men dressed in keg costumes and cask costumes,or we could just have a right good piss up at the GBBBF and celebrate with fun and drink.coxynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-36906351627447256072011-07-29T17:45:53.799+01:002011-07-29T17:45:53.799+01:00I have to make clear as well, that Mr. T and I as ...I have to make clear as well, that Mr. T and I as well as Steve have sent emails and comments via other parts of the internet that include my combination of saucy satisfaction and sincere regret for being such a shit as I was. I don't know if there is a word for that emotion. There is likely one in Finnish.<br /><br />To Martyn's comment, it is bemusement but also sheer unadulterated gut wrenching jealousy. I wish I could go have fun at the GBBF, too, and received my well deserved kick in the arse and then a sharing of many pints. <br /><br />AlanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-61432960189388011762011-07-29T16:32:33.065+01:002011-07-29T16:32:33.065+01:00Tandleman: it's good to see how everyone here ...Tandleman: it's good to see how everyone here has risen to your call to have a good time. It's been a pleasure to read a thread without the tedious craft v. keg debate (I feel a yawn coming on already), the "Brewdog good or bad?" schism, or the "CAMRA should make its mind up" squabble.<br /><br />Some of you bloggers certainly know how to have a good time! I'm jealous.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-63561585270997910092011-07-29T14:23:57.108+01:002011-07-29T14:23:57.108+01:00What's underlying Alan's point, I think, i...What's underlying Alan's point, I think, is that North Americans look at the whole Camra-v-BrewDog thing with bemusement. To them, it's like Sunni versus Shia.<br /><br />It IS irrelevant, though, because it's in the pubs and bars that BrewDog and other "craft keg" brewers will succeed or fail, not at any sort of festival, Camra-organised or otherwise.<br /><br />I'm bemused, however, by the apparent need for some to indulge in insults and inaccurate putdowns rather than argument - "obscure Scottish brewery" Mr Rizla? Their website gets far more hits than Camra's does, and ranks quite a bit higher than, eg, Fuller's.Martyn Cornellhttp://zythophile.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-42512244457765632202011-07-29T10:59:18.841+01:002011-07-29T10:59:18.841+01:00Brewdog vs CAMRA, cask vs keg, I don't really ...Brewdog vs CAMRA, cask vs keg, I don't really care, Im going to have fun and if it's half as good as last year I'll be happy!<br /><br />see you there - hopefully with a big glass of pink beer in your hand like last year ;opBeerReviewsAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549567405003804994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-2054083175027116332011-07-28T21:42:40.374+01:002011-07-28T21:42:40.374+01:00Good post Tandy, Well said! I shall be hunting you...Good post Tandy, Well said! I shall be hunting you down to buy you a drink on Tuesday if your around :)Ghost Drinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00753576955816756710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-8807559610277823202011-07-28T21:14:21.966+01:002011-07-28T21:14:21.966+01:00Just a thought - but if CAMRA are in the business ...Just a thought - but if CAMRA are in the business of promoting real ale why do they run a beer festival not a real ale festival? Seems like there's a big campaigning 'miss' to me there.<br /><br />Then again, if you're selling cider, perry and foreign non-BCA bottles (none of which are real ales) you'd have a problem.<br /><br />Seems to me CAMRA has got to decide exactly what it wants to support.John B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-77493249517112444632011-07-28T17:09:17.482+01:002011-07-28T17:09:17.482+01:00Ah, that was the "String" who'd neve...Ah, that was the "String" who'd never heard of CAMRA's winter ales fest. Sigh. <br /><br />re. the BD getting CAMRA to "ban" them thing, who was surprised? Seriously?StringersBeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12573068197944669997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-19607151356121326882011-07-28T17:02:27.819+01:002011-07-28T17:02:27.819+01:00@ErlangerNick.
I think I preferred " legging...@ErlangerNick.<br /><br />I think I preferred " leggings beer " - surely a phrase redolent of pouring a large amount of alcohol down a bird's throat in an attempt to prise 'em off. "<br /><br />Wahaay !Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-9075722918583694152011-07-28T16:02:30.157+01:002011-07-28T16:02:30.157+01:00Fecking smartphone. That should be "kegging&q...Fecking smartphone. That should be "kegging" of course.ErlangerNicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-8950501737646827182011-07-28T16:00:41.825+01:002011-07-28T16:00:41.825+01:00Nice post as usual.
What is innovative about legg...Nice post as usual.<br /><br />What is innovative about leggings beer? What does "open to other methods of dispense" mean?<br /><br />Mind you, I'm sitting in a Franconian Biergarten drinking unfiltered, hoppy Kellerbier that was squished from a 1000 litre plastic bag in a tank by an air compressor. (For 3,50€ per Liter.)Erlangerninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-50739925633102873542011-07-28T15:40:17.153+01:002011-07-28T15:40:17.153+01:00Oh and for the record, I will be going and having ...Oh and for the record, I will be going and having a great time. Partly because there's going to be loads of great beer to drink and partly because it's my birthday next week. Hooray!SteveFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-46300679820149830022011-07-28T15:37:05.434+01:002011-07-28T15:37:05.434+01:00Calling it our club is a fairly transparent rhetor...Calling it our club is a fairly transparent rhetorical trick - it's designed to portray us as closed minded clique members, out to defend our insular little circle at all costs. However, as I stated, this isn't true. I've been a member for a short period of time and have no great emotional ties to the organisation. Moreover, I'm not an uncritical supporter; I've written before that I think CAMRA should be more open towards alternative methods of dispense, for example.<br /><br />Now, feel free to insult me with reference to Viz if you like, but I really don't think what you've provided is evidence. I'm perfectly happy to admit that I'm not an economist and I'm perfectly happy to accept this criticism of CAMRA, if it's true.<br /><br />However, at this stage, it seems to me that you've provided a generality and not much more. Or, to put it another way, you've seemingly described a theory. You've then stated that it applies to CAMRA. And that's about it. In my line of work, when I propose a theory I'm expected to do a bit more than that. As I say, economics isn't my area of expertise, so perhaps someone well versed in that area would see your comment and recognise it as sufficient in and of itself. But to persuade this Viz character you'd have to lower yourself down to my level and go beyond the theory and into actual evidence.SteveFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-71332236042340443742011-07-28T15:25:01.839+01:002011-07-28T15:25:01.839+01:00Alan - It is tempting when one is called "unb...Alan - It is tempting when one is called "unbelievably silly" to be offended. Then of course it isn't the first time you've had a pop at me and in the same personal way. (You were wrong then too I recall. I think you also hinted I was weird - or at least my reasoning is - but that was in respect of something that wasn't actually said or even implied by me. Now I see you have a snide go at Steve F and are dismissive of Ron. Pattern emerging?<br /><br />Would it bother me if Brew Dog's keykeg beers were there? No. Does it matter that they aren't? No. Like many though I find their cask beers to be good on the whole and would have liked to see some innovation there. Why would innovation only be non cask conditioned anyway? Perhaps someone could explain that?<br /><br />As for the GBBF being stuffy? You haven't been have you? Or haven't been in recent years - see Pete Brown.<br /><br />You do make one good point when you say that CAMRA (and I'm paraphrasing here) don't do enough to counter bad quality real ale. Agreed 100%. That's why I insisted this aspect was given greater prominence in the Strategic Review. It is one of the most important things CAMRA could do. I will be watching that one closely.<br /><br />Oh for a guy that isn't looking for an argument, might I observe that you seem to be going about it the wrong way?Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-8279629655379629062011-07-28T15:09:25.174+01:002011-07-28T15:09:25.174+01:00Steve and Ron, what I describes is not only at pla...Steve and Ron, what I describes is not only at place but fundamental in any marketplace let alone other systems. Sometimes it is called the difference between systematic discrimination or systemic discrimination. But it is also about the marketplace of ideas and how people react to success in making decision as consumers or otherwise.<br /><br />If you do not see that and understand that to be a fundamental for of evidence in relation to the discussion, I don't know what to tell you. To call it conjecture is, with respect, slim and, as noted, like the man who loves the cross eyed dog.<br /><br />Feel free to not care dismiss me and not continue. It's your club, I'm not looking for an argument and I don't really care either. I am only trying to describe what I see as the plain implications of the written text above.<br /><br />AlanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-51277535613749514422011-07-28T15:02:10.597+01:002011-07-28T15:02:10.597+01:00Alan, I'm with Steve F. I can't see how CA...Alan, I'm with Steve F. I can't see how CAMRA "stifles innovation". The exact opposite, if anything.<br /><br />Calling it some weird special interest club entirely misses the point.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-86305021455441161602011-07-28T14:59:19.089+01:002011-07-28T14:59:19.089+01:00That's quite a leap you've just made there...That's quite a leap you've just made there Alan. I would respond in kind but a) I've only read two of your posts and therefore lack sufficient information for a personal attack (as do you, though it didn't stop you) b) Tandy has written a post asking people to be positive so I don't want to derail things with a negative slanging match.<br /><br />Having said that, you made a fairly significant claim. I asked for evidence that you back it up. You provided conjecture, in my opinion, not evidence. I'm a CAMRA member (of little over a year) but not an uncritial one. I'm perfectly happy to accept good evidence that CAMRA are stifling innovation - I don't have any great personal stake in the matter. But you haven't provided this. Instead, you posted conjecture then a weird thing about Viz for some reason.SteveFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-32810327735133459062011-07-28T14:51:10.574+01:002011-07-28T14:51:10.574+01:00Thanks, Steve, for confirming there was another de...Thanks, Steve, for confirming there was another denser blog comment to be made out there in the universe. <br /><br />But as long as we are taking this approach, let's be honest about your relationship to thinking about this question. You are displaying the syndrome of a man who loves a lovable, kind, loyal, cross eyed dog. He tells everyone how lovable, kind and loyal while everyone else thinks "my fuck, that's a cross eyed dog." <br /><br />A response like that brings back visions of that VIZ comic strip and little else. Thanks for playing to stereotype, SteveF. <br /><br />AlanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-28179787879373431302011-07-28T14:45:53.010+01:002011-07-28T14:45:53.010+01:00So no, you don't have any evidence.So no, you don't have any evidence.SteveFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-605965799381004462011-07-28T14:24:41.924+01:002011-07-28T14:24:41.924+01:00"Do you have any evidence that CAMRA are doin..."Do you have any evidence that CAMRA are doing this?"<br /><br />Unintended consequences are not "done" - they occur within any system. I am not describing an evil plan but what occurs when ever a large or new thing comes into prominence. In this case, there is only so much national attention span and (even in the UK) beer consumption capacity. By having a large entity like CAMRA plugging product "X" successfully, it is not only expected but necessary that its competitor product "Y" has a harder time getting ahead. <br /><br />In this case, as CAMRA supports only a niche brewing technique (albeit usually a welcome one but, what with bad real ale being somewhat protected by CAMRA, not all) within the overall beer scene and then labeling that sector of beer as "beer", it creates difficulties for other forms of beer to get attention.<br /><br />CAMRA members may say you do not care or even that this is actually the point but it is obvious that promoting real ale successfully is not only leaning up against mass industrial gak beer but other forms of good beer. In the US (less so here in Canada) there is a similar phenomena occurring where "national craft" brands are perhaps unexpectedly putting pressure on local craft brewers by taking shelf space.<br /><br />Alan<br /><a href="http://beerblog.genx40.com/" rel="nofollow">A Good Beer Blog</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com