tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post3936779002293373584..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: A Different Version of TruthUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-48202389152550049042017-08-28T14:31:35.041+01:002017-08-28T14:31:35.041+01:00I agree. We could do with a no tolerance attitude ...I agree. We could do with a no tolerance attitude to this tosh.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00262220471388989457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-64609374722078732872017-06-09T13:31:28.415+01:002017-06-09T13:31:28.415+01:00Best information, thanks you for sharing!
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http...Doesn't look like you one it this, TANDY<br /><br />https://twitter.com/MarkNJohnson/status/828588463624708097<br />Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-6282652706558174632017-02-06T22:13:11.149+00:002017-02-06T22:13:11.149+00:00Unfortunately a very serious subject has been done...Unfortunately a very serious subject has been done no favours by the antics of the individual concerned. The fact that I believe in his cause cannot help me wonder about his behaviour. He has form for going off at the deep end over issues not related to this one, so I think it's fair to take this in context. He clearly has anger management problems and his ranting borders on the paranoid. I would hope he gets help with these problems before letting lose with any further accusations.Bobthebuildernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-362123479217363222017-02-06T21:59:22.378+00:002017-02-06T21:59:22.378+00:00yes of course, how could a few comments be anythin...yes of course, how could a few comments be anything more than bantz. Surely not... I'm sure you would never think that reducing a woman to a sexual object would leave her feeling worth less in society or give men with much lower moral standards the inclination that their opinion is valid... but it does. <br /><br />I am not saying barmaids are being violently assaulted across the land. However they are being bombarded with images and language which makes them feel less worthy and less safe. I thought that's what these blogs were about?<br /><br />I am not humourless bra burner, I just believe we can all have a good time with out all this nonsense. We'll have to disagree I fear.Queenblaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18065069216523485843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-57137756637907713042017-02-06T21:02:55.387+00:002017-02-06T21:02:55.387+00:00To suggest light-hearted banter is a gateway to ac...To suggest light-hearted banter is a gateway to acceptance of rape,sex trafficking and female genital mutilation is simply ludicrous.<br />It's also extremely old-fashioned and rather sanctimonious to suggest that women are not able to cope with a raucous crowd.<br />I've got some news for you - that crowd is often women themselves.<br />In my experience - certainly of the type of pub I would drink in - sexism rarely raises its head and when it does it's either self-policed by fellow drinkers or by the female bar worker herself.<br />The idea that leering,boozy lechers are laying siege to the nation's winsome barmaids like marauding Vikings is the product of over-excited inhabitants of the moral high ground. <br />I blame Jeremy Corbyn !Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-25085102338836438202017-02-06T20:22:06.448+00:002017-02-06T20:22:06.448+00:00Sorry Prof but you fail to sway me. As a member of...Sorry Prof but you fail to sway me. As a member of the bar trade I take offence at the idea that I should idly allow a bit of banter or that we shouldn't all be feminists and humanists in all of our affairs; work or home. I also take umbrage at the idea that women dont 'like' the hours. Nobody likes working a 60 day week with hours between 7am & 2am but that is the case in pubs and has been for many centuries. <br />May I remind the gentleman that women started public houses as a means to make ends meet when their beer was good enough to sell. Women drew forth the nectar of Ra in the Eygptian temples many many centuries ago.<br /><br />To turn to the question in point. Sexist pumpclips, sexist advertising (Bishop's Finger, Castle Rock, Nethergates all guilty to this day) are old hat; an antiquated hangover of a class of men who think smirking at a cartoon floozy in a short skirt is ok. It leads into the same mysogny as pinching a birds arse or telling a barmaid to 'smile love'. It leads into the same mysogny that allows 'lads' to say disgusting things about women, to objectify and debase women in public. That allows a culture of mysogny: allows us to ignore rape culture, sex trafficking & fgm. These comments say it's not important, PC brigade gone mad, dismiss feminists as 'hysterical' or had to much to drink.<br /><br />The personal is political and I would strongly ask that you don't dismiss this incident as a spat and use it as a springboard to confront sexism and mysogny in our industry. Thank you kind sirs.Queenblaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18065069216523485843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-59738465320729111262017-02-06T16:55:11.043+00:002017-02-06T16:55:11.043+00:00And Matt's irate friend Mark.And Matt's irate friend Mark.Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-53377718688058628922017-02-06T16:53:57.872+00:002017-02-06T16:53:57.872+00:00Yes,I'm definitely sure now that you and Matt ...Yes,I'm definitely sure now that you and Matt would get on like a house on fire.<br />Whether he would have the sense to point out the absurdity of bring female genital mutilation into a discussion about banter in pubs is another thing.Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-1252003953788712242017-02-06T16:35:49.918+00:002017-02-06T16:35:49.918+00:00I fail to be in a "tizzy". I'm mildl...I fail to be in a "tizzy". I'm mildly bemused by a welcome distraction from my paperwork, pallet wrapping, and van driving. Yes, perturbed by the subject matter of course (which is why I put my own view forward) - but in this forum and context it's hardly something to become enraged about.<br /><br />And your condescension fails to be hilarious, just sad and worn, the usual attempted defensive off-point low blows of stereotype and lame humour. Albeit I presume your like-minded defenders of the offensive are in full ROFLMAO mode.<br /><br />We do not, and will not, agree - so the discussion is pointless beyond presenting differing sides of an argument. Yours where condoning (at best silently encouraging) offensive, objectifying, and discomforting behaviour at the expense of many is OK - and mine where not condoning (speaking out against) the inhumane views of the few is OK. The debate is worthwhile, but you bring to the table mere pointless heckling - footwear, newspapers, and herbal tea?* Really? But I suppose this is how one defends the indefensible.<br /><br />I did not miss "That doesn't excuse sexist behaviour in any shape or form." - and I was not even attacking you in my original comment. I merely used your comment to extend on the issue of women being under-represented in the beer trade and suggested some pro-active things we can all do to improve things, make the world a nice place for more people. You then tell me I need to "lighten up" and suggest that women perhaps don't like the hours (now <i>that</i> is sexist) and ought to simply be able to put up with the sexist shit they're given as a natural part of their job (yikes, you do hate women don't you). Then you insert the usual blather about "PC".<br /><br />To claim you're not sexist rings hollow - you'd have to eat your own words first.<br /><br />Anyway, I've likely worn out my welcome here now I reckon & I've said what I have to say on the subject. And you've added no value to the conversation.<br /><br /><i>* Steel caps or flip-flops, good for nowt but lighting fires, and coffee.</i>Yvannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-52848414381643224572017-02-06T16:10:06.465+00:002017-02-06T16:10:06.465+00:00Apologies,guv.
It just gets my goat being told I&#...Apologies,guv.<br />It just gets my goat being told I'm a misogynist.<br />Mrs Professor Pie-Tin would be the first to administer retribution if there was the merest hint of that.Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-21198415399257165392017-02-06T15:44:56.535+00:002017-02-06T15:44:56.535+00:00He did indeed. Let's have no more personal ins...He did indeed. Let's have no more personal insults though.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-85601116042831720432017-02-06T15:39:10.582+00:002017-02-06T15:39:10.582+00:00@Anonymous
Such was his haste to vent his spleen ...@Anonymous<br /><br />Such was his haste to vent his spleen I think Yvan missed what I wrote.<br />" That doesn't excuse sexist behaviour in any shape or form. "Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-50165843823264244312017-02-06T15:27:16.459+00:002017-02-06T15:27:16.459+00:00Good grief.
This thread has now dissolved to pers...Good grief.<br /><br />This thread has now dissolved to personal insults which means to me that it is not really about the subject matter anymore and that this argument could of been ended much earlier if both of you just agree to disagree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-62135008576909421662017-02-06T14:35:08.485+00:002017-02-06T14:35:08.485+00:00@Yvan.
I think categorising the defence of some l...@Yvan.<br /><br />I think categorising the defence of some light-hearted banter as misogynistic ass-hattery that condones sexism and rape culture is a bit of a stretch even by the usual sandal-eating Guardianista standards.<br />You seem to have worked yourself up into a right old tizzy with no doubt a face like a <br />bulldog licking piss off a nettle so calm down love and have another glass of peppermint tea.<br />Then you can get yourself all worked up for another strop.Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-12454279281589691542017-02-06T14:16:22.384+00:002017-02-06T14:16:22.384+00:00Probably.
And you conform to your own stereotype ...Probably.<br /><br />And you conform to your own stereotype - you are the topic of the debate in fact. Personified. People who rate some grim right to "bants", sexism, and having a laugh at the expense of others above the comfort, enjoyment, and peace of a vast swathe of the population.<br /><br />And you tell me <i>I'm</i> intolerant. <br /><br />Yes, though, I shall happily match you grain for grain in intolerance with every fibre of my being - for I choose not to tolerate sexism.Yvannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-37002723058286268662017-02-06T14:00:12.129+00:002017-02-06T14:00:12.129+00:00@Yvan
Ah,liberal intolerance in full abusive sanc...@Yvan<br /><br />Ah,liberal intolerance in full abusive sanctimonious flight.<br />Thank you for conforming to stereotype.It sounds like you and this Mark fellow would enjoy each other's company. Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-5807336004740733332017-02-06T13:22:43.867+00:002017-02-06T13:22:43.867+00:00@Professor-Misogynist Yeah, but you're clearly...@Professor-Misogynist Yeah, but you're clearly part of the problem when it comes to the issues in question so your stick-in-the-mud PC-gone-mad asshattery is to be expected. Going to wave about some misandry straw bears next?<br /><br />I never said anything even approaching a statement that women have not been in the industry forever. If you want to try and refute something refute a point I actually made.<br /><br />Your point about the hours is an imbecility - women are well represented in many professions that make pub hours look a walk in the park. (Care and nursing anyone?)<br /><br /><br />As for them perhaps not liking the environment nor wanting to put up with "banter"... this is the problem. You may condone sexism and rape culture, that's your own disgusting worldview. And is what I am against.Yvannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-37828655354910091922017-02-06T12:06:17.322+00:002017-02-06T12:06:17.322+00:00@Yvan
"Or, perhaps this is a key factor in w...@Yvan<br /><br />"Or, perhaps this is a key factor in why there are very few women doing anything other than short-term roles (bar staff) in the trade. For many it is simply unpleasant and discouraging to a degree they're unwilling to put up with."<br /><br />You and I must drink in different pubs.Landladies have been around since Lord knows when.Perhaps women don't want to go into the trade because they don't fancy the hours or prefer something different ? If they can't handle a bit of light-hearted banter then they're probably in the wrong trade anyway.<br /><br />As a previous poster mentions some people really do need to lighten up a bit in this PC-crazy world and do a bit less virtue-signalling.Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-41134655101668401172017-02-06T11:56:38.610+00:002017-02-06T11:56:38.610+00:00Matt: "It's not about you, or the percept...Matt: "It's not about you, or the perception of you or your record until now."<br /><br />Actually the blog post is exactly about that. While I agree entirely with your sentiments on women, with respect, I don't need to be told by you what to do and how to do it, or how to use my blog.<br /><br />Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-5956466173431585522017-02-06T11:47:41.466+00:002017-02-06T11:47:41.466+00:00What would be great would be for the MEN in this d...What would be great would be for the MEN in this debate to grow up and realise that there is an opportunity to make some positive changes as regards Women in the industry. It's not about you, or the perception of you or your record until now. It's about how Women are perceived more widely in the beer industry and society and how that affects their ability to conduct their lives in the same way as men are able to do.<br /><br />You, as honourable defenders of equality, have a platform that you can use to have a discussion about which male has slighted the other, who has stormed off in a huff, who has written a rant or who has offended the others sense of their own righteousness when it comes to equality. OR you could use that platform to help effect real change by stating your support of Women and pledging to do whatever you can to eliminate sexism and misogyny in whatever area you are able to. <br /><br />The comments above show that your help is greatly needed. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06436405861538626620noreply@blogger.com