tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post5807704324952881287..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: The Curious Incident of the Dog That Barked Rather a LotUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-34815231375335485062018-05-06T17:24:46.141+01:002018-05-06T17:24:46.141+01:00"Roger Protz on the other hand, has summed it..."Roger Protz on the other hand, has summed it all up rather well and I recommend that you read what he says before reading the rest of my tuppence worth"<br /><br />Protz's initial tweet did fuel the hysteria though and I heard led to the press office at the AGM to get on the phone to him.Alex Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07143904362160040410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-20206051342629533982018-04-27T22:16:05.405+01:002018-04-27T22:16:05.405+01:00Agree entirely on the hysteria remarks, and being...Agree entirely on the hysteria remarks, and being in the hall can confirm your comments. No hysteria from those there at all.What did surprise me was just how out of date a view of CAMRA & CAMRA people was expressed on social media by those in hysteria mode,& also how upset they appeared. I am starting to think CAMRA s biggest problem is not it's position, but the fact that some people think it's ten years (or should that be fifteen!)behind where it is actually at.IrishseaDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15210995859042509244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-66855283405537407842018-04-26T10:20:02.786+01:002018-04-26T10:20:02.786+01:00@mudge I think he's that nasty cock that's...@mudge I think he's that nasty cock that's a bell end to anyone that gets the history of IPA wrong too. It's a matter of character.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-49429116277909589832018-04-26T08:10:27.498+01:002018-04-26T08:10:27.498+01:00"It's also hard to see exactly what CAMRA..."It's also hard to see exactly what CAMRA could have done if SR6 had been passed, but is unable to do now."<br /><br />My point exactly Mudgie. If only someone who thinks otherwise would put me right.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-9195699751274499392018-04-26T08:00:29.458+01:002018-04-26T08:00:29.458+01:00@Stono - however you describe it, it's still p...@Stono - however you describe it, it's still pretty unpleasant to be eagerly anticipating the death of your opponents. And, as I said, it's a fallacy to assume that shifts in public opinion work that way. Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-1666308278398239812018-04-26T07:57:56.239+01:002018-04-26T07:57:56.239+01:00SR6 suffered from its purpose being unclear. Nick ...SR6 suffered from its purpose being unclear. Nick Boley has insisted that it was intended to be about CAMRA representing the interests of all pubgoers, but it was widely interpreted as sanctioning support for non-real beers. Of course, in practice CAMRA has always supported all beer drinkers through campaigning for lower duty (the benefits of which mostly accrue to lager drinkers and the off-trade) and all pubgoers through such policies as supporting reform of planning and business rates.<br /><br />It's also hard to see exactly what CAMRA could have done if SR6 had been passed, but is unable to do now.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-11199506110959096692018-04-25T23:33:02.368+01:002018-04-25T23:33:02.368+01:00I drink keg beer fairly regularly - there's so...I drink keg beer fairly regularly - there's some terrific beer out there on keg. Anyone who maintains that cask beer is, always and everywhere, the Pinnacle of the Brewer's Art is sadly mistaken.<br /><br />I still voted against SR6, for two reasons. Firstly, because I don't mind the fact that not all good beer is real ale - and I don't mind if CAMRA is a campaign for some, but not all, good beer. Secondly, even if we were going to turn CAMRA into a Campaign for Good Beer, the revised version of the clause would have us representing *all* beer drinkers: throwing out the 'cask' criterion is one thing, but the new clause would have thrown out any distinction between good and bad beer. We're not a Campaign For Beer In General.<br /><br />Or, you know, dinosaurs, chemical fizz and so forth. But there might actually be rational arguments against SR6 as well as in favour.Philhttp://ohgoodale.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-46549033899526621092018-04-25T20:58:53.796+01:002018-04-25T20:58:53.796+01:00someone made a similar remark to Martyn Cornells o...someone made a similar remark to Martyn Cornells on Boak and Baileys blog about the AGM votes, and Ive seen it crop up more than once in the twittersphere as a sentiment. <br /><br />Im more disappointed, and a touch disturbed by it frankly, rather than offended.<br /><br />does anyone genuinely believe the right way to express disappointment that a vote on lets face it, is about as trivial a matter as what type of beer you like drinking and whether an organsiation you belong to campaigns for people who like other beer to drink in the pub as well, that those who voted against SR6 are as one lofty self opinionated writer I saw claimed meant you were "...on the wrong side of the debate" and that somehow old father time would catch up with them quickly, and sort out the dissenting voices.<br /><br />because I struggle to get my head round that. SR6 should have been reworded, albeit you cant do that at AGMs once theyve been presented, but as Tandleman quite rightly highlights, and as Ive always felt at AGMs especially that alot of people who dont attend might miss, there are alot of sensible modernisers in CAMRA and an acceptance from alot of members of the need for that, all the other SRs passed, as did all the modernising motions if you could label them that, and the NE now has an increased diversity of representation.<br /><br />I do really not understand why it has caused so much angst in some quarters.<br /><br />and I did give the AGM a miss this year, because I expected Coventry would be as exciting a place to visit as it sounded.Stonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656315721111561414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-23519252356018798712018-04-25T16:57:18.386+01:002018-04-25T16:57:18.386+01:00I'd view offence as like libel - it can't ...I'd view offence as like libel - it can't apply to the truth. The truth may hurt, the truth may be uncomfortable, but if you find it offensive then the problem lies with you rather than the thing you're being offended by.<br /><br />Actually I suspect it's an underestimate, 2000/year would represent just over 1% of CAMRA membership. Which might be true if it was evenly split in every age between 18 and 118, but anecdotally it seems weighted to those in the 50-70 range and not always in the best of health.<br /><br />I'm not sure the analogy with conservative politics holds up either - there's plenty of past beer "certainties" that have passed with the generations. No doubt someone in 1900 was saying that drinking porter was as enduring as the British Empire, and in 1950 someone thought that mild would last as long as segregation in the US - these things change, and you can't just rely on the status quo continuing. CAMRA itself has recognised that - it's not the Campaign for Cask Ale, the definition of "real ale" has been changed over the years to accomodate bottles, cans and keykegs.<br /><br />The point of embracing all drinkers is that is how to expand demand for real ale. You don't do that by telling people that the drinks that they like are shite, it just gets their backs up and switches them off to anything you tell them.qqnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-92034107175208607992018-04-25T16:55:39.192+01:002018-04-25T16:55:39.192+01:00This thing about older people dying off so the nex...This thing about older people dying off so the next vote will inevitably go the right way is eerily redolent of what was said by some of the more excitable Remain losers in the EU referendum.<br />But thank you Tand for a clear-headed explanation of the vote and what it means.<br />Personally I think it's good to see that in all other aspects of the voting CAMRA seems to be moving with the times.<br />What should be more worrying is how few of the 200,000 members bothered to vote.<br />And I thought it was only the young would did that sort of thing ...Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-86403005066440669172018-04-25T16:46:41.552+01:002018-04-25T16:46:41.552+01:00A pleasing dose of common sense, Peter.
NB Agree ...A pleasing dose of common sense, Peter.<br /><br />NB Agree about the University venue, but Coventry deserves a second chance, albeit more for the Cathedral and museums than pubs. Town Wall Tavern serves good Bass.retiredmartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15429804437739227082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-76742593280511776192018-04-25T15:00:18.260+01:002018-04-25T15:00:18.260+01:00I voted against SR 6 & I'm very glad to se...I voted against SR 6 & I'm very glad to see that it failed.I noted that Janet Atack came out top in the vote for committee members, her election address was spot on. What is the point of embracing all drinkers, most of whom don't give a monkeys for Camra or it's aims.<br /><br />In the election brochure it said that we would campaign for quality beer, who is to decide what quality is. Our groups name is Campaign For Real Ale, not any old keg fizz smoothflow craft stuff. If that resolution had passed I would have resigned my membership.Steven Holtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-35324010327534903322018-04-25T14:13:47.809+01:002018-04-25T14:13:47.809+01:00We're all singing from the same hymnsheet that...We're all singing from the same hymnsheet that we need to be pushing the envelope a bit here and going for the low-hanging fruit.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-34692996946411734722018-04-25T14:09:29.990+01:002018-04-25T14:09:29.990+01:00Maybe a bit blunter Mudgie but just what you said....Maybe a bit blunter Mudgie but just what you said.<br /><br />Matt: You need some blue sky thinking here. Helicopter out a bit and see the bigger picture. Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-30675087523677532382018-04-25T14:02:24.251+01:002018-04-25T14:02:24.251+01:00Aaagh, my least favourite piece of management spea...Aaagh, my least favourite piece of management speak: "going forward".Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00387170913578542671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-31851496420986899282018-04-25T13:47:04.602+01:002018-04-25T13:47:04.602+01:00What an utterly obnoxious and offensive comment fr...What an utterly obnoxious and offensive comment from Martyn Cornell. He's not exactly a spring chicken, either.<br /><br />And, <a href="http://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/standing-at-crossroads.html" rel="nofollow">as I've said in the past</a> (rather more politely):<br /><br /><i>"It’s sometimes argued that this is basically a generational divide that will be eroded by the passage of time, but that’s akin to the common fallacy that conservative political values will fade away as older people die off. In practice, it doesn’t happen, as each generation rediscovers them anew." </i>Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.com