tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post6757402138784629296..comments2024-03-23T04:23:48.076+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Passion and BrewingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-45235829975938126522012-12-13T13:41:57.287+00:002012-12-13T13:41:57.287+00:00I'd say it's pretty clear you need both......I'd say it's pretty clear you need both... passion without knowledge will drive you to TRY to make good beer, but often without success. Knowledge without passion will enable you to make consistent products with clinical efficiency, but likely to be uninspired - so you'll brew a technically well-brewed beer that may be very uninteresting (dare I say this explains 90% of German beer...).<br /><br />Pleased to be mentioned under 'passion' above, but I think we (especially Gazza!) have knowledge as well, even if we lack formal qualifications in brewingDave Unpronounceablehttp://www.steelcitybrewing.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-30978470888961386692012-12-13T12:26:45.265+00:002012-12-13T12:26:45.265+00:00The trouble with saying passion counts for little ...The trouble with saying passion counts for little without consistency (which is true as far as it goes) is that you're assuming big brewers have consistency and micros don't. I'd much rather have interesting beer which varies a bit than brown twig juice that's always exactly the same.<br /><br />don't know if. passion is the be all and end all but it certainly helps in pushing beer forwards; without it we might still all be drinking bitter and mild. except me, I'd have gone to live in Czech.Gazza Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834776854227668409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-52381161033730529332012-12-13T12:01:44.293+00:002012-12-13T12:01:44.293+00:00"I can tolerate passion so long as no one has...<i>"I can tolerate passion so long as no one has put there todger in it."</i> <br /><br />Yes, I remember one local CAMRA member saying of one beer on a pub crawl that it tasted as though someone had dipped his wick in it ;-)<br /><br />While there is much to be said for passion, when producing a commercial product it counts for little without consistency and attention to detail as well.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-54938182892202806992012-12-12T19:57:33.413+00:002012-12-12T19:57:33.413+00:00the knowledge of brewing =Sambrookes+Purity.the pa...the knowledge of brewing =Sambrookes+Purity.the passion for brewing =Kernal +Steelcity.Iwould rather have passion.CHEERS JOHNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-83008442003175578692012-12-11T15:53:52.194+00:002012-12-11T15:53:52.194+00:00I think it's pervaded our culture that time an...<i>I think it's pervaded our culture that time and passion translate to quality - you see it on Cooking Shows, on the X-Factor and (for me) in University Students.</i><br /><br />You see passion in university students? Where on earth do you teach?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-57956645654702453582012-12-11T15:53:00.175+00:002012-12-11T15:53:00.175+00:00That David Mitchell link says it all.
I don't...That David Mitchell link says it all.<br /><br />I don't trust passion. The idea seems to be that passionate brewers never do a half-hearted, mediocre job, not like the jaded cynics who work for the big outfits. I think it's a bit of a con - the opposite of churning out half-hearted mediocrity is working with professionalism, dedication and high standards, with or without passion. Value passion over those things and you're likely to end up with something weird and undrinkable, which you can only sell by going on about how passionate you are.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-64419097008189336652012-12-11T12:52:09.491+00:002012-12-11T12:52:09.491+00:00This passion thing might be alright for a Frenchma...This passion thing might be alright for a Frenchman or an Italian but as a British brewer I like to think that when I brew my upper lip is stiff and nothing else!Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-11915489206268218312012-12-11T12:47:27.425+00:002012-12-11T12:47:27.425+00:00Complicated, this. I'd rather listen to a brew...Complicated, this. I'd rather listen to a brewer with passion talk, but I'm not sure passion does equate to better beer. Professionalism and personal pride are probably just as likely to make someone a good brewer.<br /><br />If you don't like beer and/or hate your job and/or have no pride in what you do, you'll probably make pretty shite beer.<br /><br />Small/independent/craft brewers certainly don't have a monopoly on passion, but those working for big brewers are more likely to get their arms twisted by marketing, the Board, or whoever, and end up making beer they don't, in all honesty, much care for themselves.Baileyhttp://boakandbailey.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-24532250603820038642012-12-11T12:00:53.757+00:002012-12-11T12:00:53.757+00:00I've been illustrated in much less favourable ...I've been illustrated in much less favourable ways... ;)<br /><br />what you said. basically, passion doesn't replace knowledge but supplements it. a brewer with just knowledge is less likely, IMO, to produce characterful, interesting beer than one with both knowledge and passion for the job.<br /><br />I know there are many working in big breweries who have paSsion, no-one would claim luminaries such a, Roger Ryman aren't passionate about beer, but running your own brewery seems to bring out a particular kind of passion in the brewers which is of rare intensity.<br /><br />so yes, it's an overused wankword which means nowt, but I do think brewers with passion, drive, get up and go, or whatever you want to call it will, in general and assuming the requisite skills, make more interesting and/or better beer than those who just do it for a job.Gazza Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834776854227668409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-1102154339797671212012-12-11T11:36:29.536+00:002012-12-11T11:36:29.536+00:00Brilliant BN. Thanks for that.Brilliant BN. Thanks for that.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-36035059726524881872012-12-11T11:36:13.162+00:002012-12-11T11:36:13.162+00:00Good brewers are passionate, Passionate Brewers ar...Good brewers are passionate, Passionate Brewers are not necessarily good. I think it's pervaded our culture that time and passion translate to quality - you see it on Cooking Shows, on the X-Factor and (for me) in University Students. It's a fairly empty word that people seem to put a lot of faith into.Brother Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10197469348962494614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-45152976717959744352012-12-11T11:30:03.935+00:002012-12-11T11:30:03.935+00:00Reminds me of this.Reminds me of <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/video/2009/apr/30/david-mitchell-soapbox" rel="nofollow">this</a>.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-8533560296556090152012-12-11T10:37:21.258+00:002012-12-11T10:37:21.258+00:00I can tolerate passion so long as no one has put t...I can tolerate passion so long as no one has put there todger in it.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.com