tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post742555207768471278..comments2024-03-23T04:23:48.076+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Want Some Serious Statistics?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-59826122818463759052013-03-02T23:43:08.892+00:002013-03-02T23:43:08.892+00:00Cookie - the simple answer would be that purchase ...Cookie - the simple answer would be that purchase tax isn't (just) a tax Nev doesn't like, but a tax which acts directly on pricing and consequently could be expected to have direct economic effects. And in fact, where the purchase tax known as beer duty is concerned, there's data to suggest that Laffer curve effects do exist, and that we're on the down curve. Where income tax is concerned, the mechanism whereby higher taxation would lead to lower effort is a lot less obvious and a lot less well-attested, and it's not at all clear whether we're on the down side of the curve or not.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-22317081117716814422013-02-26T12:38:55.233+00:002013-02-26T12:38:55.233+00:00The problem with that one Mudge is that the tax sy...The problem with that one Mudge is that the tax system does change behaviour. Would smoking be in such decline on the basis of a few government adverts or because it gets ever more unaffordable? Are we seeing changes in car use & car choice because people love green politics or because petrol is expensive? Have a look at the stats for new company formations. They rocketed as a direct result of Gordon’s 50p tax trap he left for the Tories. This wasn’t a surge in entrepreneurship; it was a bunch of middle class types deciding to set up tax avoiding vehicles for disguised employment. Changes in the tax system do change behaviour. Occasionally those changes are even intended, though most of the time they aren’t.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-38503153265687804972013-02-26T12:28:47.441+00:002013-02-26T12:28:47.441+00:00I read somewhere recently that half of all politic...I read somewhere recently that half of all political arguments would disappear if politicians stopped using the tax system as a means of trying to change behaviour.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-4681143689400138242013-02-26T12:07:41.766+00:002013-02-26T12:07:41.766+00:00Shall I postulate two things here? One because it...Shall I postulate two things here? One because it suits them and someone has to pay the bills.<br /><br />Two because they are often economically illiterate. Not Nev obviously. He's just an old posh leftie a la Tony Benn (-: Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-49110628013130145502013-02-26T12:04:02.570+00:002013-02-26T12:04:02.570+00:00Can I ask a semi serious question of Nev, who I ta...Can I ask a semi serious question of Nev, who I take to be of the left of politics. It is not a dig, I promise.<br /><br />I agree that high taxes are having an effect. Lower tax rates may even increase revenue in what I believe is called the laffer curve. Though this study is Europe wide and I am unsure beer tax is an issue elsewhere.<br /><br />Why do people of the left accept the laffer curve for taxes they do not like (beer tax) but dispute it as rubbish for income & business taxes?<br /><br />Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-54377807409252774462013-02-26T10:54:06.325+00:002013-02-26T10:54:06.325+00:00I thought premium beers were gaining market share ...I thought premium beers were gaining market share albeit within an overall declining market.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-35192473436890595102013-02-26T10:28:01.846+00:002013-02-26T10:28:01.846+00:00I'll be looking for your help on that subject ...I'll be looking for your help on that subject soon. Minimum pricing that is. All will be revealed soon.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-24814978464037281912013-02-26T10:03:20.828+00:002013-02-26T10:03:20.828+00:00It's quite a bit to wade through that, innit?
...It's quite a bit to wade through that, innit?<br /><br />You can criticise it on a number of levels. Firstly it does not take in to account opportunity costs & customer utility. What I mean by that is that whilst a beer in a bar may be a positive contributor in the economy and have more added value (service) than a beer from a shop it is not necessarily economically negative overall if people opt to drink less beer.<br /><br />If I find a greater utility in doing something else with my money, buying books or anything else say, then the economic benefits are transferred to an area of the economy that has a greater utility. It has a greater utility because it is a free choice for me to spend less on beer and more on something else.<br /><br />So to conclude that we would enjoy an economic miracle if we banned Tesco from selling beer and gave people the choice of spending the evening in a pub or a lonely cold bare room with no books or telly is false.<br /><br />It may be sad for those that enjoy pubs or bars to realise that well, you are in a minority, but the anti-tesco campaigns are not really going to make people want to use bars more.<br />Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-6791322038429922712013-02-25T22:46:37.102+00:002013-02-25T22:46:37.102+00:00RedNev sounding like a Tory there.RedNev sounding like a Tory there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-25402367630201154742013-02-25T17:53:47.572+00:002013-02-25T17:53:47.572+00:00It's exactly what beer bloggers have been sugg...It's exactly what beer bloggers have been suggesting for years. It's also demonstrates how raising taxes even higher will lead to diminishing returns.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.com