tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post8049763883579157919..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Sleight of HandpullUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-620248678885464102010-08-21T08:28:04.899+01:002010-08-21T08:28:04.899+01:00I'm beginning to wonder if Gazza and I weren&#...I'm beginning to wonder if Gazza and I weren't separated at birth. I encountered Hobgoblin for the first time ever (?) last month, and it struck me as barely drinkable (if that--and that a half!), brown bilge.Erlangernickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564871714656285737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-7285699898374053262010-08-19T18:03:39.985+01:002010-08-19T18:03:39.985+01:00Hobgoblin used to be OK years back when Glenny mad...Hobgoblin used to be OK years back when Glenny made it. it's grown weaker and correspondingly sweeter ever since and the current incarnation tastes like toffee mixed with aspartame and horlicks - disgusting. <br /><br />It holds the dubious honour of being one of the only beers I've not been able to finish in the past couple of years!<br /><br />And it's been shit for years way before they were taken over.Gazza Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834776854227668409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-20541783912531597902010-08-19T11:54:20.887+01:002010-08-19T11:54:20.887+01:00OK Tyson I probably should have put 'a lot of ...OK Tyson I probably should have put 'a lot of beer geeks' it's that typical attitude of it's big it must be bad and I just don't see it with Marstons. As ChrisM says they seem to be able to buy brewers and leave to do what they do best.DJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03289287301524705994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-50274907659501251582010-08-18T16:31:02.299+01:002010-08-18T16:31:02.299+01:00Personally I applaud Marstons' ability to take...Personally I applaud Marstons' ability to take over breweries and keep them open on the original site, and even invest money in them after major disasters, unlike Greene King et al.ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09088526990457894540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-60199006257994775002010-08-18T15:49:43.820+01:002010-08-18T15:49:43.820+01:00I'd have to disagree with that. I don't th...I'd have to disagree with that. I don't think "a lot of people are negative to anything associated with Marstons". Some beer geeks don't like them, sure, seeing them as the "big brewer" enemny, but ordinary drinkers don't have any such scruples.<br /><br />Marstons involvement with Hobgoblin hasn't changed my opinion of it-I can still take it or leave it, but unless you're a real beer snob, you have to admire their very successful marketing.Sat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-13216081832151655592010-08-18T15:22:28.427+01:002010-08-18T15:22:28.427+01:00That's fair enough Tandle but I do feel a lot ...That's fair enough Tandle but I do feel a lot of people are negative to anything associated with Marstons and Hobgoblin has lost a lot of it's popularity away from the masses because of this.DJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03289287301524705994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-78403620579892228212010-08-18T14:30:40.253+01:002010-08-18T14:30:40.253+01:00DJ - I don't think that either. It wasn't ...DJ - I don't think that either. It wasn't to my taste before Marston's got their mitts on it and I still don't like it now.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-36732405397488614192010-08-18T11:37:37.808+01:002010-08-18T11:37:37.808+01:00As Peter O'connor said these pumps are going t...As Peter O'connor said these pumps are going to catch the eye of the un-initiated and help them sell a lot of beer, I can't blame them. As for the beer itself I think Hobgoblin is a quality beer and didn't become a poor one just because Wychwood was taken over by 'the evil that is Marstons'DJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03289287301524705994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-16175571967811255642010-08-18T07:20:53.248+01:002010-08-18T07:20:53.248+01:00Couldn't agree more about poor presentation. ...Couldn't agree more about poor presentation. The theatre of the pour I want is my beautifully conditioned sparkled pint settling while my money is taken and then the wonderful finale of the top up. That's what I call theatre!Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-59027603041700652592010-08-17T20:31:42.755+01:002010-08-17T20:31:42.755+01:00Didn't this "Theatre of Pour" nonsen...Didn't this "Theatre of Pour" nonsense originate with Guinness, over in Ireland? <br /><br />As for Hobgoblin, it's never been a drink of choice, so far as I'm concerned.Paul Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678639237696546268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-56040064033248423982010-08-17T20:30:06.954+01:002010-08-17T20:30:06.954+01:00It would be easy for me to agree with you all here...It would be easy for me to agree with you all here, and of course I do, really.<br /><br />BUT, the "theatre of the pour" should not be underestimated. Most good beer in this country is very poorly presented; real ale in Carling glasses, poorly designed pump clips, glass filled incorrectly by rubbish bar staff and just damn dirty glasses.<br /><br />The best beer in this country suffers from theatre of the poor.<br /><br />Cask beer suffers a poor image and it may well be the case that Hobgoblin does nothing to improve this, but they are trying to make cask beer a little more sexy, more of us should do that.<br /><br />Either that or we'll all go for Proper Real Keg.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-32369578764693141772010-08-17T18:26:57.206+01:002010-08-17T18:26:57.206+01:00When you see the font, and the lady with hobgoblin...When you see the font, and the lady with hobgoblins all up her arms, coupled with fast cask, you can see this is Marstons trying to get ale into 'venues' that wouldn't normally sell it. I would imagine similar to what Bombadier was doing when they released a new font. Coupled with fastcask, this might actually get somewhere though.<br /><br />Found the picture http://st1.morningadvertiser.co.uk/content/img/articles/89229/230x170.jpgEddie86https://www.blogger.com/profile/03552007546467495543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-52764649147398243432010-08-17T18:12:19.794+01:002010-08-17T18:12:19.794+01:00Absolute. Marketing. Tosh.Absolute. Marketing. Tosh.Leighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05512660051158275112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-72486314685455816982010-08-17T16:23:18.089+01:002010-08-17T16:23:18.089+01:00This is not about the "Theatre of the pour&qu...This is not about the "Theatre of the pour", this is about capturing the confused pub-goers attention as he wonders into a pub, looks at 3 regular hand pulls and one with a statue and goes "Oooh, what's that?" Marston's aren't the only brewery playing at it, Black Sheep are also up to the same trick, http://www.blacksheepbrewery.com/handpump/ <br /><br />It's a gimmick aimed at capturing people who don't drink much ale, the same way that fastcask is a way of getting more stockists.<br /><br />Personally, I think you want more quality, less fastcask and less shortcuts. I'm not a fan of hobgoblin, but it has an image, which stands out from many other beers. Whether your brewdog or marston's, you need to give your beers and image, story, feel- to differentiate from all the others, to scream louder, to sell more.<br /><br />But really? Theatre of the pour? "Foxtrot Oscar"...Peter O'Connorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14006691271352681225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-61904951328864561532010-08-17T14:27:41.135+01:002010-08-17T14:27:41.135+01:00Ah, Proper Real Keg!!! Got a Pale Ale on now hoppe...Ah, Proper Real Keg!!! Got a Pale Ale on now hopped with Nelson Sauvin, Riwaka and Citra!! <br />Grist was 80% 2-row and 20% rye. Hit with a constant 10 psi of extraneous co2 for 5 days!!!! You bet your ass, glorious!! All it needs is a big breasted, blonde, SoCal beach babe on a Proper Real Keg tap clip and it's ready to roll!Whorsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01784943453195129865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-31440009442207480132010-08-17T13:43:10.589+01:002010-08-17T13:43:10.589+01:00RedNev, I am fairly sure that MBA these days stand...RedNev, I am fairly sure that MBA these days stands for Master of the Bullshit Arts - seriously most marketing people I have to deal with talk non-stop constant cack.<br /><br />On the whole fast cask and proper real keg thing, I can't help but think that if it ain't broke don't fix it. Mind you, I get the feeling some times that the "craft" brewing scene is really a bunch of kids with attention deficit disorder looking for the next big thing.<br /><br />Cynical? Perhaps.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-74937923278938582532010-08-17T13:03:53.640+01:002010-08-17T13:03:53.640+01:00I quite like it. *gets coat*<a href="http://pubsandbeer.blogspot.com/2010/08/whats-matter-lagerboy-afraid-of-my-new.html" rel="nofollow">I quite like it.</a> *gets coat*ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09088526990457894540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-86054472134707529512010-08-17T13:00:36.213+01:002010-08-17T13:00:36.213+01:00So we have Marston's pushing fastcask™ (I thin...So we have Marston's pushing <i>fast</i><b>cask</b>™ (I think that's how you're supposed to write it according to the marketing wankers) and BrewDog pushing Proper Real Keg … which will make an impact? Either?Rob Sterowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870233673933087794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-41424656410710022832010-08-17T12:40:14.798+01:002010-08-17T12:40:14.798+01:00I picture this Justin Way dressed in full D&D ...I picture this Justin Way dressed in full D&D wizards garb.<br /><br />If he doesn't wear it, he should be bloody made to, at all times. If that D&D shit is good enough for their beer he should live by it. If he feels at all stupid, he will be getting an insight into how I, and many others, feel about their irritating branding.Jeff Pickthallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06343140031285101096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-69320114672608049152010-08-17T12:30:00.348+01:002010-08-17T12:30:00.348+01:00The theatre of pouring is just what I want 3 minut...The theatre of pouring is just what I want 3 minutes before closing time in a pub.<br /><br />Where on Earth do they find these people?Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-57437020027224792322010-08-17T12:28:09.702+01:002010-08-17T12:28:09.702+01:00"Theatre of the Pour" suggests that the ..."Theatre of the Pour" suggests that the ale could become incidental!Paul Garrardhttp://www.realaleblog.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-57279496155504867292010-08-17T12:08:47.116+01:002010-08-17T12:08:47.116+01:00A beautiful title, sir.
Theatre of the Pour is a ...A beautiful title, sir.<br /><br />Theatre of the Pour is a huge thing among Big Evil breweries. Bars here have started to look like rows of slot machines as the fonts struggle to outdo each other in height and electrical doohickery. It's made pubs monstrously ugly.<br /><br />I guess with tied houses you can't even depend on sane landlords saying "You are not putting that THING on my bar."The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.com