tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post1158044077594699608..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Lost BeersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-91279802289968534772020-05-12T22:52:01.666+01:002020-05-12T22:52:01.666+01:00Technically maybe. But it is just two miles to St ...Technically maybe. But it is just two miles to St Helens Junction Station and a lot more to Warrington. Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-12849622495927042702020-05-12T22:41:02.102+01:002020-05-12T22:41:02.102+01:00Just a small pedantic point. Burtonwood brewery wa...Just a small pedantic point. Burtonwood brewery wasn't in St Helens, it was classed as Warrington.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-60265663100558383172020-05-12T20:19:45.671+01:002020-05-12T20:19:45.671+01:00Thwaites Best Mild. Twice Camra Champion Beer. ‘78...Thwaites Best Mild. Twice Camra Champion Beer. ‘78 & ‘80. A wonderful beer, I only knew it in one pub in Bury, The Help Me Thro, luckily it was my regular pub (still going to this day).Steve The Beerhunternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-69937133905254900382020-05-12T07:27:14.676+01:002020-05-12T07:27:14.676+01:00Great stuff from a Southern perspective John. Fasc...Great stuff from a Southern perspective John. Fascinating list.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-87367800053833718002020-05-11T13:24:21.988+01:002020-05-11T13:24:21.988+01:00Hello John. There is a theory, I think, that think...Hello John. There is a theory, I think, that think some breweries toned down the bitterness or other characteristics of their beer to give it a more universal appeal. Shepherd Neame could certainly fit that bill - the hoppiness and bitterness was almost overwhelming on first acquaintance, and I can certainly see that it wouldn't have appealed to everyone. Faversham Trophy was also pretty hoppy, though not to the extent of Shepherd Neame. I suppose you might expect Kent breweries to put particular emphasis on hop bitterness; it would be interesting to hear whether thatw true of Tomson and Wotton, Cobbs and Mackeson, all of which stopped brewing a few years before I started taking an interest in beer.John Lesternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-45612630064132770372020-05-11T12:11:13.927+01:002020-05-11T12:11:13.927+01:00Hi John - that's a very interesting list of lo...Hi John - that's a very interesting list of long-gone beers, many of which have always intrigued me. I've always thought Shepherd Neame beers must have been better, well hoppier and more bitter, than they are today and I'd loved to have tried them back then.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-90617317211153175672020-05-11T11:57:49.299+01:002020-05-11T11:57:49.299+01:00In reality, I’d love to try again any of the beers...In reality, I’d love to try again any of the beers I drank in the early seventies. That would be a pretty long list, so here are a few that I drank fairly regularly at that time and still miss:<br />London: Whitbread Trophy from Chiswell Street – probably my favourite beer in London. I much preferred it to the Wethered’s that replaced it.<br />Charrington’s IPA from Mile End, which was completely different from the substitutes from Cape Hill and Springfield – much darker and a lot more bitter.<br />South East England: King and Barnes Bitter; Whitbread Trophy (Faversham) – I agree with Paul Bailey’s comments; Gales Bitter; Shepherd Neame Bitter – hugely hoppy and nothing like today’s Master Brew; Courage Best Bitter (Reading) – a superlative beer (I used to travel from London to Shepperton and Chertsey – the closest places to home where I could drink it. In my view, the best beer Courage ever brewed). <br />Oxford area: Morrell’s Bitter and draught Light (my staple drinks as an undergraduate: Morrell’s draught Light at 11p a pint was excellent value even in the early seventies); Morland’s Bitter and Mild.<br />Manchester: Boddington’s Bitter – what more can I say?<br />Sheffield: Stones’ Best Bitter – another very pale beer and another cracking pint (the best beer ever brewed by Bass Charrington, in my opinion)<br />Shropshire: Wem Best Bitter and Mild.<br />West country: Ushers PA and West Country Pale Ale – two very weak beers that were ideal for an extended session.<br />A few years later, I liked Ind Coope (later Benskins) KK light mild, which had similar qualities; and, like others, I enjoyed the Romford-brewed revival of Friary Meux Bitter.John Lesternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-1855943480241942052020-05-10T10:06:33.058+01:002020-05-10T10:06:33.058+01:00Hi Phil - Oakwell Mild was a real surprise when I ...Hi Phil - Oakwell Mild was a real surprise when I first tried it (at the New Victoria in Longsight). I was taken aback by how good it was.<br /><br />Marble McKenna's Revenge Porter was an identical clone of Dobbin's Yakima Grande Porter. O know this because I was in the Arch with a friend and commented that the McKenna's was very like Yakima Grande - and who should pop up from the cellar but the man himself )as he had a big hand in the original Marble installation) - and he hold me it was in effect the same beer.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-808379057591526572020-05-10T00:38:20.527+01:002020-05-10T00:38:20.527+01:00I'm not strictly speaking too young for this -...I'm not strictly speaking too young for this - I've drunk Mitchell's bitter and Firkin Dogbolter in my time - but I didn't really start taking an interest till this millennium, so I can't add much.<br /><br />But I will say that West Coast's Tsingtao-alike was rather fine, and I have fond memories of their ginger beer. (I wasn't a hop warrior at the time, so most of Brendan D's beers that people rave about now passed me by.)<br /><br />Oakwell only went down the tubes a couple of years ago - and I only had their beer a few times - but their Mild made a real impression on me.<br /><br />Not a closed brewery, but I have very fond memories of a few long-gone beers from the very early days of Marble - particularly McKenna's Revenge porter and the strong Christmas seasonal Wee Star. But if we got started on <b>contemporary</b> breweries that have disappeared/changed ownership/changed direction/etc we'd be here all night.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-71065264096446835032020-05-09T09:27:38.013+01:002020-05-09T09:27:38.013+01:00Yates' bitter is a good call. I'm at a bit...Yates' bitter is a good call. I'm at a bit of a loss when in the ODG now it's gone. Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-34566921935481437472020-05-04T06:27:49.343+01:002020-05-04T06:27:49.343+01:00Nice. Prof. I have quite a bit of Mitchell's s...Nice. Prof. I have quite a bit of Mitchell's stuff.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-57625111392354693162020-05-04T06:26:23.856+01:002020-05-04T06:26:23.856+01:00I remember the Trueman St brew from.my Liverpool d...I remember the Trueman St brew from.my Liverpool days. It was decent but didn't last.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-65501685890497314402020-05-04T06:25:06.927+01:002020-05-04T06:25:06.927+01:00Interesting choices there. Think Lorimers Scotch w...Interesting choices there. Think Lorimers Scotch was sold as 70/- in Scotland. I have a Newcastle Exhibition cask poster. As new.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-82866877370545399462020-05-04T05:17:42.839+01:002020-05-04T05:17:42.839+01:00I failed at Uni in the late '70s thanks mainly...I failed at Uni in the late '70s thanks mainly to being in Lancaster when there were two breweries - Yates&Jackson and Mitchell's.<br />I always preferred the latter - dark amber,decent head, old-fashioned bitter ( I refuse to call it boring ).<br />Between those two and the occasional incursion into the town of Thwaites and Theakstons I was rarely sober for most of my undergraduate days.<br />Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-27189652804243801332020-05-03T23:07:22.829+01:002020-05-03T23:07:22.829+01:00Greenall's: I cannot say anything good about t...Greenall's: I cannot say anything good about this beer. I was at Padgate College near Warrington in the mid-70s. Warrington was not far off being a one-horse town in beer terms: Greenall's. It was utterly mediocre with no discernible good points whatsoever. Our student bar had it, and every so often a big lorry would roll up to pour the slop into our bar's tanks. If you could find Greenall's in real form it wasn't too bad, but that was very rare. The demise of Greenall's was a blessing for beer drinkers.<br /><br />Higson's: I used to tell my student friends how superior this beer was, but I found it hard to persuade them to go for a booze-up in Liverpool; they tended to prefer Manchester for somewhere different.<br /><br />The modern Higson's has no relationship to the classic brew; the brewer simply owns the brand name and has created new recipes, which I thought were nothing special.RedNevhttps://rednev-rearm.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-26257109808113836412020-05-03T18:04:17.683+01:002020-05-03T18:04:17.683+01:00In the interest of balance, when I began to take a...In the interest of balance, when I began to take an interest in the late 80s, there was an awful lot of real ale around that tasted like cold stewed tea, esp. in the SW and Wales. Generally brewers are more generous with the hops these days, even if they're the wrong sort of hops.<br />APAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-10667569546707042292020-05-03T17:06:04.499+01:002020-05-03T17:06:04.499+01:00Peter Dickinson. So many reminders of what we are ...Peter Dickinson. So many reminders of what we are missing, so many beers that I thought then,were very good. But no-one mentioned the Holts beers of the 70s, which are definitely not still with us, or Whitbread Special Cask Bitter from Trueman Street. I seem to remember that was excellent. But how many would stack up against the best <br />beers available today,; like the selection on most days at the Marble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-74701552289021612972020-05-03T15:21:21.054+01:002020-05-03T15:21:21.054+01:00One I forgot
C ale from Groves and Whitnall as s...One I forgot <br /><br />C ale from Groves and Whitnall as served at the Fairview between Oldham and Rochdale.John Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-59923278668437309812020-05-03T14:39:53.384+01:002020-05-03T14:39:53.384+01:00One of your tweets the other day reminded me of a ...One of your tweets the other day reminded me of a couple of old favourites from up my way. <br />Lorimer's best scotch<br />Newcastle Exhibition (The cask version was excellent when it occasionally appeared) <br />Younger's Number 3 <br />A couple that still technically exist but are brewed by somebody else and have changed imo beyond recognition<br />Boddington's bitter<br />John Smith's Magnet <br /><br />Manx Ravensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-57395253202243109972020-05-03T14:38:52.822+01:002020-05-03T14:38:52.822+01:001. Hartley's XB (but only in Summer - needed t...1. Hartley's XB (but only in Summer - needed tourists to ensure throughput). <br /><br />2. St Austell HSD (Hicks Special Draught). <br /><br />3. Morrells Light.<br /><br />4. Vaux Sampson Ale. <br /><br />5. Smiles Best Bitter.<br /><br />8. Morland Bitter.<br /><br />I would also go for Timothy Taylor Landlord of the 70s and early 80s. Had this in a pub that was demolished years ago in Manchester, opposite Piccadilly station. Hydes Mild in a pub on Portland Street was also very good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-10752893684590851872020-05-03T14:33:38.316+01:002020-05-03T14:33:38.316+01:00Adnams Extra lives on as bottled Southwold Bitter,...Adnams Extra lives on as bottled Southwold Bitter, which is a different and stronger recipe from the draught product.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-81926320938135267632020-05-03T13:56:27.580+01:002020-05-03T13:56:27.580+01:00I'm a little younger than some of the other co...I'm a little younger than some of the other comments, but remember finishing the last barrel of Wards Mild from a Theakston Mild pump! I understand it was the Darleys recipe and also sold as Vaux mild. <br />Anything from Yates in Cumbria, we ran a tied pub in Cumbria but sneaked in 3 pins on our first anniversary at the pub. They went in 24 hours! <br />I've tried Adnams Extra and Youngers No3 both cracking brews, I think the latter was a one off from Wells at the time though.<br />The Oakwell Bitter from RBNB at Red Lion at Horncastle were really sessionable.<br />Axholmerobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12675054936123613752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-63691964670884308102020-05-03T13:19:44.438+01:002020-05-03T13:19:44.438+01:00Always the first pint of the night in The Old Hop ...Always the first pint of the night in The Old Hop Pole, Carters Green on a West Brom crawl, a tasty balance of malt and hops, dare I say not unlike Bass.@WestBromELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796030437814514393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-79238658711435335772020-05-03T13:04:00.165+01:002020-05-03T13:04:00.165+01:00Oldham Brewery Bitter, along with Lees bitter I g...Oldham Brewery Bitter, along with Lees bitter I grew up on OB.<br /><br />Boddingtons in its pomp before the corporate clowns got at it. <br /><br />Tetleys bitter from their Leeds brewery, again before it became all corporate. <br /><br />I have to agree with you about the Higsons, much missed, a regular reliable and favourite tipple when we had meetings in Liverpool. <br /><br />And this might seem heretical but I actually used to like Wilsons Mild. <br /><br /><br /><br />Andy Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14721040886597629202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-29386865542564489972020-05-03T13:03:06.771+01:002020-05-03T13:03:06.771+01:00I remember in 1990 being taken to a pub in West Br...I remember in 1990 being taken to a pub in West Bromwich town centre on a Tuesday night it had one pump and one optic and was packed.<br /><br />The beer on pump was Hansons Mild and it was such a beautiful drink<br /><br />The optic was a bottle of bells, for the non-Mild drinkers from what I could see was nobodyAtticusfinch1048https://www.blogger.com/profile/00248965744288371041noreply@blogger.com