tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post1438099405626216306..comments2024-03-23T04:23:48.076+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Measure for MeasureUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-83288942280375446122010-03-06T16:33:54.032+00:002010-03-06T16:33:54.032+00:00I hope the over-sized doesn't become law - it&...I hope the over-sized doesn't become law - it's a big advertising pull for us that we serve a full liquid pint with head on top - and the increase in sales over-shadows the couple of pints less from a barrel you get. <br /><br />I personally can't see the point of changing it - if it ain't broke why fix it?Eddie86https://www.blogger.com/profile/03552007546467495543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-26284052350275482712010-03-04T11:45:39.598+00:002010-03-04T11:45:39.598+00:00Both the Tories in 1992 and Labour in 1997 promise...Both the Tories in 1992 and Labour in 1997 promised to make oversized glassware mandatory (or at least to insist that a pint was a full liquid pint) and both reneged on this promise. Realistically, there isn't a cat in hell's chance of it happening in the foreseeable future. But neither do I detect any widespread feeling amongst drinkers against brim measures. When Wetherspoons anticipated the 1997 change that never happened by introducing oversized glasses, they got an adverse customer reaction as pints no longer looked "full".Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-31581637416292048732010-03-03T09:30:11.363+00:002010-03-03T09:30:11.363+00:00Nay, posting while pissed is to be encouraged!
It...Nay, posting while pissed is to be encouraged!<br /><br />It seems to me that the next legislation should be to require oversized glassware. It could even jumpstart the economy, ala "Cash for Clunkers" or whatever you lot call your British equivalent--turning in old glasses for new. Maybe not as big of a jumpstart, but still.Erlangernickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564871714656285737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-71699178674462497772010-03-03T09:26:02.906+00:002010-03-03T09:26:02.906+00:00Tyson, I'm not saying that's all there is ...Tyson, I'm not saying that's all there is to it, I'm making an empirical observation based on what happens in my local pub.<br /><br />Tandleman, you must be on your knees every day giving thanks to Maggie for clawing back your EU contribution so we can't piss it up the wall ;)<br /><br />I don't think Ireland ever had "a desire to be European", and not just because it de facto <i>is</i> European. If anything, the boom years were all about the American Dream of conspicuous consumption. Closer to Boston than Berlin, as a senior government minister once observed.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-37975019832099305742010-03-03T09:09:42.515+00:002010-03-03T09:09:42.515+00:00Barry / BN. Sorry for the "rubbish" rema...Barry / BN. Sorry for the "rubbish" remark, but I had had a few pints (or if you wish, a specified volume of liquid in a glass) and I supposed at the time it was short and to the point. Note to self - don't post when pissed.<br /><br />My little (fond) dig at Ireland is its desire to be European in the hope of gaining EU funds. True in the past to an extent, but I guess there are more pressing cases now that get the largesse. <br /><br />As far as I know, Irish peeps are nearly as fond of their pints as we are, so what's wrong with emotional attachment as long as it works? Best of both worlds there.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-50241731474203474502010-03-03T08:28:30.508+00:002010-03-03T08:28:30.508+00:00"The current system is tried and proven and, ..."The current system is tried and proven and, most importantly, very simple".<br /><br />Tyson, that I can understand, at a purely pragmatic level.Barry Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367655129107699025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-39509722988484971042010-03-03T08:25:37.873+00:002010-03-03T08:25:37.873+00:00"I think you do know"
Actually, I'm,..."<i>I think you do know</i>"<br />Actually, I'm, afraid I don't. There are several ways to interpret both the words and tone. Perhaps you could elucidate?<br /><br />Getting back to the original discussion which, in a nutshell, I interpret as: why (or why not) have a government specify which volumes of beer you can buy at a time?<br /><br />You state that measures, or more correctly, standardised units of measure "<i>were to prevent exploitation by the unscrupulous. If you go to many medieval German towns you will often see on the market place, iron sets against which a loaf could be measured</i>". Absolutely! Which is why certification bodies and such exist, to certify that a marked vessel (the beer glassware equivalent of the iron sets) contains a labeled volume of liquid. So I guess I'm wondering, why get hung up on a pint, a half and a third, when in reality, it doesn't matter what volume of beer you purchase, as long as it's clear what you are purchasing. Fill it to the mark, pay your hard-earned cash, and done. As you indicate in your response to Erlangernick, not having marked, to the line glassware is not good for the consumer. By that extension, it shouldn't matter what the volume is, as long as it it marked. What is the advantage of sticking to just three Imperial sizes?<br /><br />To be honest, single word responses like "Rubbish" just affirms my opinion that the attachment to a unit of measure is really an emotive, not logical thing. I suspect it's a case that The Pint is considered by some to be an emblem of British beer (and the Irish are also still attached to it, as it is, I think, the last remaining use of Imperial units), so there goes logic!Barry Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367655129107699025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-83670218629719448082010-03-03T08:14:15.256+00:002010-03-03T08:14:15.256+00:00BN
That is the most simplistic and frankly, silli...BN<br /><br />That is the most simplistic and frankly, silliest, definition of market forces. It's the sort of thing the pro-smoking lobby use to defend their position. It's not worthy of you. Do you really think that is all there is to it?<br /><br />The pint issue isn't an emotive issue or about preserving "tradition". I'm not English and don't have an overt interest in maintaining "tradition" just for its own sake. As TM was getting at, it's simply about self interest. The current system is tried and proven and, most importantly, very simple. There simply isn't any incentive for me, or others, to support change. I do agree that 1/3 glasses should be more commonly available, even though personally I wouldn't be seen dead with one:)<br /><br />"Freedom of choice".<br />Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose!Sat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-55990806904378726142010-03-03T07:54:27.142+00:002010-03-03T07:54:27.142+00:00One word; profit.One word; profit.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-36491272354327465972010-03-03T07:50:55.900+00:002010-03-03T07:50:55.900+00:00I have encountered unmarked German glassware from ...I have encountered unmarked German glassware from time to time, but I always forget to ask about it at the time, as well as to remember where these places are. They tend not to be memorable, I guess.<br /><br />Not-oversized glassware is daft, if you ask me. Idiotic, actually. What the hell's the advantage of it?Erlangernickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564871714656285737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-26052591797177644992010-03-03T07:27:29.203+00:002010-03-03T07:27:29.203+00:00Freedom of choiceFreedom of choiceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-37041099283100337182010-03-03T00:33:24.038+00:002010-03-03T00:33:24.038+00:00Rubbish!Rubbish!Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-64447591467036832122010-03-03T00:00:41.386+00:002010-03-03T00:00:41.386+00:00If people don't like the price a pub charges f...If people don't like the price a pub charges for beer then they should go elsewhere, right? Surely that's all there is to it. As long as the pub isn't saying "Here Is A Pint" before handing over a half-litre glass then I really don't see the problem.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-38414196298440910822010-03-02T20:38:37.945+00:002010-03-02T20:38:37.945+00:00I can't help thinking that if beer measures we...I can't help thinking that if beer measures were deregulated, we would end up with lots of establishments, while keeping within the letter of the law, in effect passing off 500ml as the equivalent of a pint - and charging a pint price for it.<br /><br />Also bear in mind that a US fluid ounce is 29.56ml, whereas a UK one is 28.4ml, so a 16oz US pint actually equates to 16.65 UK oz or 473ml.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-6284045714079554522010-03-02T20:17:00.924+00:002010-03-02T20:17:00.924+00:00Ron, it's nice to drink out of unfamiliar glas...Ron, it's nice to drink out of unfamiliar glasses, different shapes and sizes. Drinking a 16oz pint of IPA in America is different to a 20oz pint in the UK, like that fancy glassware in Belgium, or litres in Germany... Grass is greener and all that and when you get a little nibble...<br /><br />Gazza, that's the perfect description of measures.Mark Dredgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11421095862178324693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-82333518313584899852010-03-02T20:05:33.740+00:002010-03-02T20:05:33.740+00:00Whorst,as usual your comments are as fat and usele...Whorst,as usual your comments are as fat and useless as your ass.Get back to your fantasy life and leave the left us fuck alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-71308734010107658802010-03-02T17:51:53.184+00:002010-03-02T17:51:53.184+00:00Pints for supping, halves for scooping, thirds for...Pints for supping, halves for scooping, thirds for strong stuff.<br /><br />What more do we need? If I want 100ml I'd get a half, drink some, and chuck the rest in a convenient plant pot. if I want a mass, I'll call 2 pints one as it's only 136ml over.<br /><br />But, thirds should be more available in pubs which sell stronger beer, totally agree on that one.Gazza Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834776854227668409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-27131596571060530752010-03-02T17:15:59.213+00:002010-03-02T17:15:59.213+00:00Must be all the strange compounds in the pongy ale...Must be all the strange compounds in the pongy ale I drink!Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-49178411560287805442010-03-02T16:53:44.406+00:002010-03-02T16:53:44.406+00:00That's pretty damn irresponsible of you Velky ...That's pretty damn irresponsible of you Velky if you don't mind me saying. I shall be telling Don Shenker on you.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-19851046949159376552010-03-02T16:30:04.814+00:002010-03-02T16:30:04.814+00:00Barry. I think you do know, though it is tongue in...Barry. I think you do know, though it is tongue in cheek. (-;Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-23293510304907430932010-03-02T16:29:23.242+00:002010-03-02T16:29:23.242+00:00Does anyone actually care about units of alcohol w...Does anyone actually care about units of alcohol when in the pub? Usually all I care about is having a few pints with my mates, and none of us are likely to be calculating how many units we've imbibed.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-74284638997452034062010-03-02T16:13:45.465+00:002010-03-02T16:13:45.465+00:00I have to say, I don't quite get the arguments...I have to say, I don't quite get the arguments. Millilitres, fluid ounces, or multiples thereof, are all stadardised measures of volume.<br /><br />What you're discussing here is Government-sanctioned, arguably arbitrary, but considered "traditional" unit of measure.<br /><br />So, in Germany and many other European countries, there are 100ml, 200ml, 250ml, 300ml, 400ml, 500ml and litre containers, each clearly marked with a line so the consumer knows what volume they are purchasing. This gives more choice for the end user, I suppose, and in a place like Ireland where both the pint and halbe co-exist in peace and harmony, people still know what they are getting, and in places like The Bull and Castle, they aren't being ripped off.<br /><br />It seems to me that The Pint is more an emotive topic than a logical topic really, and it's all down to personal preference. I don't see why the consumer can't be given a choice, where the publican wants to, and it makes sense. <br /><br />I happen to prefer the metric system as it's simpler to use whole numbers than fractions when measuring "your alcohol intake without tedious addition". ;)<br /><br />Not sure what you are suggesting by "I doubt if they will though, as European subsidies for such trivialities are no longer available"?Barry Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367655129107699025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-77538932790071026482010-03-02T16:09:23.777+00:002010-03-02T16:09:23.777+00:00Our birding scene is British, Smarte, but I still ...Our birding scene is British, Smarte, but I still salivate over a bit of Beyonce.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-18058837927697003942010-03-02T16:07:10.059+00:002010-03-02T16:07:10.059+00:00"Our beer scene is British" - you'd ..."Our beer scene is British" - you'd never think it the way some salivate over anything American, or in the case BrewDog anything faux American.Smartehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08136185146367062339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-38258276370285229572010-03-02T15:11:41.030+00:002010-03-02T15:11:41.030+00:00Mark. I agree with your first and third paras.Mark. I agree with your first and third paras.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.com