tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post3274470715067935962..comments2024-03-17T03:33:54.427+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Returning to RootsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-68266972405078769912017-06-09T13:33:22.746+01:002017-06-09T13:33:22.746+01:00Thank you for all that you've done and sharing...<br />Thank you for all that you've done and sharing,<br /><br /><a href="https://www.golden-slot.com/" rel="nofollow">goldenslot slot games</a><br /><a href="http://www.gtzlg.com/" rel="nofollow">gclub casino</a><br /><a href="http://www.gtzlf.com/" rel="nofollow">gclub</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07159047406612580657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-13033004321977819742017-05-25T12:31:55.114+01:002017-05-25T12:31:55.114+01:00Annual sales Mudgie, but how much annual profit fo...Annual sales Mudgie, but how much annual profit for Wells? Clearly not enough!Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-69708747604698507252017-05-25T12:09:18.807+01:002017-05-25T12:09:18.807+01:00Indeed, the report I cited above states that McEwa...Indeed, the report I cited above states that McEwan's Export is the #2 premium canned ale, with annual sales of £13.7m. That's 37% more than Punk IPA!Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-6594524697224734822017-05-25T11:32:52.764+01:002017-05-25T11:32:52.764+01:00"Beer geeks might not touch it with a bargepo...<i>"Beer geeks might not touch it with a bargepole; plenty of others do."</i><br /><br />That underlines the point that many beer enthusiasts whose expertise is primarily in the cask and/or craft sectors are on much less certain ground when it comes to the mainstream market. McEwans Export is still one of the leading canned ales stocked in UK supermarkets.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-59786814979843162262017-05-24T23:49:37.038+01:002017-05-24T23:49:37.038+01:00my experiences of visiting Bucks,Beds and Northant...my experiences of visiting Bucks,Beds and Northants, which ought to be Wells core trading areas, and even London where Courage should still be well travelled beer, theyve never seem to have had any presence in many pubs/bars, and if it is there, its the lonely pump left at the end of the bar, that youll know if youve visited the occasional pub or two, the beer will have sat in the lines for days, warmed up and be better served on a plate of chips.<br /><br />consequently no-one drinks the stuff, they goto the increasingly ubiquitious Greene Kings pubs, or Marstons, maybe theyll drink an ale from one of the many brands they now own but theyll more likely drink a Guinness or lager instead, and no freehouse is ever going to order it in, want Courage, get London Pride instead youll likely get some of Fullers one offs or crafts as well, want Bombardier it wont sell better than another bitter. Estrella, swap for San Miguel, Kirin, swap for Asahi, Erdinger...ersomethingbetter...and so on, actually Founders All Day IPA was alright but Greene King sell that too.<br /><br />for all the talk of exciting new breweries and new bars and pubs doing amazing things all the time, outside the urban craft bubble, its really tough to shift beer of the like Wells were making in todays market in areas where most peoples visit to the pub is for a Sunday roast or family meal.<br /><br />so yes it makes total sense what theyve done sell the brands, they werent working for Wells, the money is in their pubs, even in family brewers doing "well" its the pubs, the hotels, the mini casks/bottling making money, very much not selling ale they make through pubs that really turns profit. So its not a sell out, Marstons will add it as another brand, theyll probably refresh the logos, swap them around more frequently so their pubs get to showcase different styles. Wells will focus on their pubs, with a smaller brewery they have the option of maybe going down that more experimental brewing route they might have felt constrained by not being able to do before.<br /><br />it seems a reasonable deal for both parties and we arent talking about 200 pub closures and the loss of big brewery or its brands.Stonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656315721111561414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-63439673072981155692017-05-22T13:02:06.622+01:002017-05-22T13:02:06.622+01:00Moribund perhaps but McEwans is still a big brand ...Moribund perhaps but McEwans is still a big brand up here. Beer geeks might not touch it with a bargepole; plenty of others do. Someone from Wells told me (albeit a couple of years ago) that McEwans was in volume terms bigger than their own Wells brands. There's still money to be made in declining brands. You don't see McEwans much on Glasgow bar tops anymore but it was still very evident when I was in Dundee at the weekend. It’ll be interesting to see what (if anything) Marston's do with Wm Younger which Wells never seemed to take any interest in. Barmhttp://refreshingbeer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-76390101301415427452017-05-21T13:53:16.179+01:002017-05-21T13:53:16.179+01:00I'm not sure how appropriate the phrase 's...I'm not sure how appropriate the phrase 'sell-out' is to the brewing industry. We rightly condemn politicians and other people who publicly proclaim a set of principles when they go back on their word, but can we apply that type of condemnation to a business? Except for a few examples where the owners have depicted their company as some kind of cause, I'm not sure we can. We may feel disappointed when the owners of a company like Wells sells it to Marstons but, as Tandleman points out, there are probably reasons why this makes sense.<br /><br /><i>Militant</i> and <i>Socialist Worker</i> were papers that were fond of sounding off about sell-outs and conspiracies. Protz has edited both at different times: perhaps he is reverting to his youthful dalliance with them.RedNevhttp://rednev-rearm.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-52495986337700252052017-05-21T07:17:48.708+01:002017-05-21T07:17:48.708+01:00It was likely to have been a consideration to Mar...It was likely to have been a consideration to Marstons, but less so for Wells.<br /><br />It has also been pointed out to me by an industry source that losing the contracts for Red Stripe and Corona left Wells in a bit of a pickle.<br /><br />I still reckon that most brands brewed by Wells are declining assets.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-39870456626922115932017-05-21T07:17:34.544+01:002017-05-21T07:17:34.544+01:00It was likely to have been a consideration to Mar...It was likely to have been a consideration to Marstons, but less so for Wells.<br /><br />It has also been pointed out to me by an industry source that losing the contracts for Red Stripe and Corona left Wells in a bit of a pickle.<br /><br />I still reckon that most brands brewed by Wells are declining assets.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-91772500959190560632017-05-20T15:53:10.838+01:002017-05-20T15:53:10.838+01:00"I'd be surprised if the market for bottl...<i>"I'd be surprised if the market for bottled brown beer is growing"</i><br /><br />Try reading Marston's latest <a href="http://www.marstons.co.uk/docs/Financials/marstons_bottled-ale-report-2016.pdf" rel="nofollow">Bottled Ale Report</a>.<br /><br />The value of the Premium Bottled Ales market has grown by 92% between 2009 and 2015, and is forecast to grow another 86% by 2020 to top £1 billion a year. <br /><br />I'm not saying it's the major driver behind the deal, but it's certainly a significant consideration.<br /><br />Some people who are primarily focused on pub drinking tend to overlook the importance of this category.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-43245591025116925072017-05-20T15:02:31.025+01:002017-05-20T15:02:31.025+01:00This looks like standard practice in a rustbelt in...This looks like standard practice in a rustbelt industry - the secondary players have a go at becoming top-level players (the marketing push on Bombardier, bulking up by acquiring Young's, Courage etc) but then either succeed or in turn have to sell out to a consolidator. Marstons are taking on the role that Tata Steel and Ineos have played in other traditional industries. There may be as much future for brown beer in 2017 as there was for mild in 1947, but by economies of scale and sweating the assets, there may still be decent money to be made.<br /><br />I'd be surprised if the market for bottled brown beer is growing, this is more about efficiencies behind the scenes and taking out a potential competitor on the shelves in the off trade.<br /><br />But from what I can work out, it's a response to the demand for "choice" from consumers. Back in the days of 50 breweries and no guest beers, punters were conditioned to session on the same beer. But now there's 1800 breweries and apps that encourage people to tick as many different beers as possible. Now tickers are one extreme, but in most walks of life people seem to split down the middle between novelty seekers and folk who like the comfort of the familiar. Marstons are trying to offer variety in their tied pubs by offering a host of different pumpclips which are all brewed inhouse; Wells couldn't offer sufficient variety inhouse so they've effectively gone for a bigger version of the (brewpub+freehouse) model.qqnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-62139010654547582602017-05-20T11:27:00.802+01:002017-05-20T11:27:00.802+01:00I understand that Mudgie but I reckon that off tra...I understand that Mudgie but I reckon that off trade sales wouldn't have weighed very heavily in the balance.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-28567153907472493992017-05-20T11:00:48.349+01:002017-05-20T11:00:48.349+01:00The McEwan's effort certainly seemed to fail u...The McEwan's effort certainly seemed to fail up here. The smooth that they launched was actually different enough for me to prefer it to the default Best, but it disappeared off bars very quickly. The new bottled range came and went very quickly as well. Export still gets shelf space in the supermarkets, but they did nothing to halt the decline. Hard to believe that it used to be a huge brand up here.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380346096519389990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-14695548849803267712017-05-20T09:37:14.085+01:002017-05-20T09:37:14.085+01:00J Mark Dodds is in a state of permanent outrage, o...J Mark Dodds is in a state of permanent outrage, of course. To him, any sensible commercial deal is a sell-out.<br /><br />I think you understate the importance of the bottled ale business. While it may not offer the same margins as the on-trade, they're considerably better than those available for commodity lagers and, unlike cask, it's still a growth sector. Clearly Marston's see it as a key plank of their business strategy, and Bombardier and McEwan's Champion are among the top-selling brands.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.com