tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post4293970053925655424..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: A Pre GBBF ThoughtUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-3545216800575577522011-08-03T16:04:15.565+01:002011-08-03T16:04:15.565+01:00Arguments against pins.
Pins often work out lot ...Arguments against pins. <br /><br />Pins often work out lot less economical than firkins or kilderkins for a few reasons. Firstly, they tend to cost a little bit more, pint for pint from breweries. Because of the shape of most pins and the nature of real ale there will tend to be more beer loss through waste. Also miscellaneous waste through preparation and testing becomes more significant because of scale. <br />Also many pubs have tiny cellars and would need to have specialised racking for pins to make it logistically viable to stock many pins. <br /><br />Arguments for pins. <br /><br />Less chance of beer going turning and. Therefore a wider range can be stocked, and special one offs or unusual beers can be stocked with less risk of ullage. <br />Again because of the nature of ale, pins will settle and clear quicker than larger barrel sizes. This is only a benefit if you are not pushed for space in the cellar. <br />Easier to lift, etc.<br /><br />Personally I tend to shy away from pins unless stocking ales which are over eight percent.Saga Of Nailshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891668833405154713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-40927275384736323272011-08-01T17:57:40.777+01:002011-08-01T17:57:40.777+01:00I completely agree with your point. I'm sure p...I completely agree with your point. I'm sure pubs would be able to have a larger selection of ales if breweries were more willing to provide their beers in pins. And obviously the quality would massively increase.wowninjashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665656992357583145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-7781007092589341402011-08-01T13:32:24.949+01:002011-08-01T13:32:24.949+01:00In my (limited) experience, mass-market keg beers,...In my (limited) experience, mass-market keg beers, especially lagers, are considerably more consistent than cask. Dull and bland maybe, but very rarely "off". It is these, not "craft keg" than cask is normally in direct competition with.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-27728374727456064342011-08-01T13:27:55.751+01:002011-08-01T13:27:55.751+01:00The answer to the quality lottery is a pint of ice...The answer to the quality lottery is a pint of ice cold fizz.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-34623978266737611812011-08-01T13:17:02.281+01:002011-08-01T13:17:02.281+01:00*cask/keg, not craft/keg.*cask/keg, not craft/keg.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-36080154936805908312011-08-01T13:16:13.460+01:002011-08-01T13:16:13.460+01:00No, it doesn't invalidate your other points: q...No, it doesn't invalidate your other points: quality first, always. However it does mean it's not a craft/keg issue. It's a beer issue, and dispense methods are immaterial.<br /><br />As to what goes wrong, pretty much everything that can go wrong with beer. It can be stale, it can be flat, it can be full of diacetyl, phenols or any of the rest of that crew, it can be in a dodgy glass or out of dirty lines.<br /><br />How do I complain? If I get an undrinkable pint, I bring it back and suggest that the beer be taken off. I'm in the fortunate position of being personally aquainted with most of the brewers whose beer I drink so I have the option of bringing the feedback to them directly if I don't trust the pub to do it. If the beer is just slightly off-kilter I give it up as a bad job for the day and pick something else to drink. Again, cask or keg: same rules apply.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-46162119814736689092011-08-01T13:00:39.997+01:002011-08-01T13:00:39.997+01:00"No man that's a drinker drinks ale from ..."No man that's a drinker drinks ale from a pin<br /> For there is too little good ale there within:<br /> Four and a half is its measure in full,<br /> Too small for a draught, not enough for a pull."<br />- "Bring us a barrel", a sort-of folksong by the late Keith Marsden. <br /><br />"So roll out the puncheon and bring out the butt<br /> For these are the measures before us to put.<br /> The jug will go round and good ale it will flow<br /> And we'll be content for an hour or so."<br /><br />Very much of its time, I think.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-48848820607876135412011-08-01T12:31:22.240+01:002011-08-01T12:31:22.240+01:00I can't stand pins, they're more bloody wo...I can't stand pins, they're more bloody work!Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-64310778706416525902011-08-01T11:06:56.924+01:002011-08-01T11:06:56.924+01:00If it's too cold, well, warm it with your hand...If it's too cold, well, warm it with your hands. Ask for a spoon or a fork to stir it up and work the gas out.<br /><br />That buffoonery at the Br3wD0g blog about hoppy beer "needing gas" or whatever is just so much nonsense.Erlangernickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564871714656285737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-6701087278420352092011-08-01T10:48:23.821+01:002011-08-01T10:48:23.821+01:00John - I suppose I meant "is that an acceptab...John - I suppose I meant "is that an acceptable reason?"Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-81008971844079491462011-08-01T10:42:52.151+01:002011-08-01T10:42:52.151+01:00Tandy said: How do you send a pint of craft beer b...Tandy said: How do you send a pint of craft beer back if you think it is too cold and gassy? I honestly don't know. <br /><br />I don't take it back but ask for an extra glass to decant the offender into. 3 or 4 goes and it's eminently drinkable. I've had some strange looks but no refusals.John Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-17199771354028591932011-08-01T10:40:49.252+01:002011-08-01T10:40:49.252+01:00Mudgie - I agree things have improved, but not eno...Mudgie - I agree things have improved, but not enough.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-31423034089083504382011-08-01T10:40:27.973+01:002011-08-01T10:40:27.973+01:00BN - Well do you mean it is often stale or off or ...BN - Well do you mean it is often stale or off or what?<br /><br />If so, it evens the playing field a little, so back to my question,how do you complain? Or do you?<br /><br />It doesn't though invalidate any of my other points I'd suggest.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-3686192880612003992011-08-01T10:15:56.694+01:002011-08-01T10:15:56.694+01:00I'd be a much happier man if I thought keg bee...I'd be a much happier man if I thought keg beer meant it wasn't as much of a lottery as cask. But it pretty much is, I'm afraid.<br /><br />I suspect you may be making an assumption based on no evidence there.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-23843480753931987872011-08-01T09:59:46.523+01:002011-08-01T09:59:46.523+01:00Actually things have improved somewhat over the ye...Actually things have improved somewhat over the years. It's a long time since I've complained about a cloudy pint and been told "real ale's meant to be like that."<br /><br />However, if you do go in pubs at random you are likely to encounter some seriously underwhelming beer, <a href="http://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2011/07/off-grid-drinking.html" rel="nofollow">as I recounted here</a>.<br /><br />Slow turnover exposes a multitude of sins, of course, and I'm convinced that many pubs have too many beers on for the available trade, particularly early in the week.<br /><br />And might some of the more marginal outlets be better off dropping cask altogether if they don't have either the motivation or the throughput to keep it well?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-25940091768034338472011-08-01T09:28:42.480+01:002011-08-01T09:28:42.480+01:00Good link. Of course if you get a bad pint in a C...Good link. Of course if you get a bad pint in a Cask Marque pub, send them an email,about it.<br /><br />And you are right in your comments on his blog too.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-35562339865436234442011-08-01T09:13:22.590+01:002011-08-01T09:13:22.590+01:00I could really get behind a campaign on cask quali...I could really get behind a campaign on cask quality in a way I can't get excited about "Take it to the Top".<br /><br />On a related note, for an interesting outsiders review of drinking cask ale in the UK, read <a href="http://drinkcraftbeer.com/editorial/articles/man-cannot-survive-on-english-cask-ale-alone.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>. Didn't take him long to dismiss Cask Marque as a useful indicator of quality.Baileyhttp://boakandbailey.comnoreply@blogger.com