tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post5691584700054850716..comments2024-03-29T04:31:31.707+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Same New!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-30070915841998531892016-05-10T23:09:46.164+01:002016-05-10T23:09:46.164+01:00"we didn't only want to drink cask London..."we didn't only want to drink cask London Pride every day"<br /><br />"A man who is tired of London Pride is tired of beer" (S Johnson - although he was more a quarts-of-Thrale's-Porter man …)Martyn Cornellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16843357962176591317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-85201559922826371502016-05-05T16:36:57.690+01:002016-05-05T16:36:57.690+01:00It sounds shit. I'll give it a miss until the ...It sounds shit. I'll give it a miss until the beer gets better and the bars get some atmosphere, if either ever happen.Barmhttp://refreshingbeer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-37249493301875181392016-05-04T15:54:02.525+01:002016-05-04T15:54:02.525+01:00Sorry, next time I want to pontificate about somet...Sorry, next time I want to pontificate about something irrelevant I'll use my own blog to do it...DaveShttp://brewinabedsit.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-83480729744801992872016-05-04T14:49:32.002+01:002016-05-04T14:49:32.002+01:00Sorry, that first bit came out more patronizing th...Sorry, that first bit came out more patronizing than I intended it to be. Misphrasing on my part.<br /><br />What I mean by the boring brown beer thing is that if a pub just had a load of bitters on then some people might say that it was boring and samey whereas other people who are more tuned in to (and generally interested in) the variations within the style would say that no, it's actually a really interesting range: that one's light with marmaladey hop aroma, that one's dark and smooth and malty-sweet, that one's bracingly bitter and so on. And the same goes for US pales. We went to the Other Half tap room in Brooklyn when we were there (*clunk*) and they were basically just selling a dozen variants on IPA, from session up to triple, but because they were really bloody good at it they were expressing quite a lot of variety within the parameters of the style.<br /><br />That said, yeah, it does do my head in a bit when people say "we're really interested in showcasing the massive diversity of modern beer styles. Like US IPA. And US IPA. And, er, US IPA." Although I suspect that bars and breweries would blame the punters and their predictable tastes for that.DaveShttp://brewinabedsit.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-71865793768523293092016-05-04T13:37:42.506+01:002016-05-04T13:37:42.506+01:00Dave: I'm glad that I didn't fall into tha...Dave: I'm glad that I didn't fall into that trap, but then it was never my intention to allege that people shouldn't drink what they want.<br /><br />Going back to "boring brown beer" usually that's aimed at cask beer, but what I was trying to say is that craft too, far from being cutting edge can be derivative and samey. That particularly applies to craft beer bars. Derivative is too loose a description. <br /><br />Giving it a few years though is exactly what I said in my summing up, but I still have my doubts.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-27748714478348487482016-05-04T12:37:40.729+01:002016-05-04T12:37:40.729+01:00Nice read.
I very much agree with Bailey's co...Nice read.<br /><br />I very much agree with Bailey's comments here and it's often something that winds me up about beer-travel blog posts. On the other hand I think the original post here generally avoids the "how dare these people enjoy a range of international-style beers like everyone else does rather than sticking rigidly to their local speciality for the benefit of novelty-hungry tourists like me" trap.<br /><br />Other thoughts:<br />i) would you say that a series of IPAs will always be "taste-alike", or that these ones were particularly samey? It seems like one of these things were different people care different amounts about variations within a style: see also "boring brown beers".<br />ii) I don't think that the evolution from imports to faithful imitations of imports to local twists on imitations of imports to a unique local style is inevitable or that it's the only way that distinctively local scenes develop, but it does seem pretty common, so maybe give it a few years on that front?DaveShttp://brewinabedsit.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-49242144169981411542016-05-04T10:21:49.131+01:002016-05-04T10:21:49.131+01:00Oh indeed
I think we are making slightly differen...Oh indeed<br /> I think we are making slightly different points,but I agree with the above.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-51402560146748833932016-05-04T09:55:17.840+01:002016-05-04T09:55:17.840+01:00We've had this conversation a few times with p...We've had this conversation a few times with people like Joe Stange and Lars Marius Garshol. Beer geeks visiting places like Bavaria and the Czech Republic get a bit offended by the presence of IPA or other self-conscious craft beers because they want those places to express local character; but locals are often a bit bored with the local character. Like how, when we lived in London, we didn't only want to drink cask London Pride every day and now we live in Cornwall, we don't just want to drink Spingo. Hand Bar in Falmouth could be anywhere -- there's nothing particularly Cornish about it -- but we're bloody glad it's there, even if a visitor from up country might find it a bit underwhelming or pointless.Baileyhttp://boakandbailey.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-79297337224115858742016-05-04T09:39:31.872+01:002016-05-04T09:39:31.872+01:00ABrewHaha: Umm. You need to read the article. Both...ABrewHaha: Umm. You need to read the article. Both bars are mentioned in detail.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-72271941971469212782016-05-04T09:37:55.365+01:002016-05-04T09:37:55.365+01:00The second para is surely a bit contradictory? My...The second para is surely a bit contradictory? My point is that they (craft bars) are homogeneous and interchangeable country to country and culture to culture. In fact that they aren't aimed at locals as such, but as you put it, to "Craftonia". Your craft visitor walks in and immediately feels at home. The visitor sees little indigenous and therefore that he could be anywhere. <br /><br />Maybe that IS the craft beer bubble.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-3755660268892671502016-05-04T09:12:29.264+01:002016-05-04T09:12:29.264+01:00We wrote a bit in our monthly email newsletter las...We wrote a bit in our monthly email newsletter last year about 'Craftonia', a weird global nation in which all craft beer bars seem to exist. Might post it on the blog at some point.<br /><br />Having said that, craft beer bars are generally aimed at locals, not visitors, so we find it hard to get too wound up about their failure to reflect the national or regional culture.Baileyhttp://boakandbailey.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-19731305554469310992016-05-03T22:49:33.840+01:002016-05-03T22:49:33.840+01:00Didn't you find Homo Sibaris? I liked that pla...Didn't you find Homo Sibaris? I liked that place, and Biercab.ABrewHaHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03380577738378902797noreply@blogger.com