tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post5842096515160320620..comments2024-03-23T04:23:48.076+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: CAMRA AGMUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-48288556367715237532015-04-20T10:38:36.974+01:002015-04-20T10:38:36.974+01:00A very positive weekend with the mood for change a...A very positive weekend with the mood for change and less dogma.Rob Nicholsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14871887147718814739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-5187576537853537692015-04-19T23:09:39.208+01:002015-04-19T23:09:39.208+01:00PS I hope they made sure to defeat motion 15a - th...PS I hope they made sure to defeat motion 15a - the one in very small print that says<br /><br />CONFERENCE CONSIDERS that this is all very clever and you've had your fun, but INSTRUCTS the National Executive to kick this one into the long grass and quietly forget about it, on the grounds that<br />a) our members have got much more important things on their minds<br />b) we don't want to start yet another flamewar on the letters page of What's Brewing, and<br />c) I mean, you don't actually drink that stuff, do you - that 'craft keg'? Dear oh dear.<br />CONFERENCE FURTHER INSTRUCTS the National Executive to get Protzie to waffle on about definitions for a bit and then say that there are much more important things in life - that ought to keep 'em quiet for a bit.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-56488681059498464862015-04-19T21:59:31.931+01:002015-04-19T21:59:31.931+01:0015 passed? Interesting times ahead!15 passed? Interesting times ahead!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-23898187372809142202015-04-19T15:11:24.102+01:002015-04-19T15:11:24.102+01:00Colin Hill misses the point I think - the passage ...Colin Hill misses the point I think - the passage of this motion will open up CAMRA beer festivals to key keg. And of course the good news is that motions 5 and 15 were passed while 11 and 12 were defeated.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-49183601863904359092015-04-18T13:47:44.827+01:002015-04-18T13:47:44.827+01:00Get someone to video it and put it on youtube!Get someone to video it and put it on youtube!Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-66475453570745076182015-04-18T10:42:50.971+01:002015-04-18T10:42:50.971+01:00While I think 15 is interesting a result would onl...While I think 15 is interesting a result would only affect the CAMRA die hards who are too snobby to drink anything that isn't RA. I don't think producers of key keg beer overly care that it's not classed as RA.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01745676077091610386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-13217940526934611952015-04-18T10:42:39.034+01:002015-04-18T10:42:39.034+01:00While I think 15 is interesting a result would onl...While I think 15 is interesting a result would only affect the CAMRA die hards who are too snobby to drink anything that isn't RA. I don't think producers of key keg beer overly care that it's not classed as RA.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01745676077091610386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-48376969800884203602015-04-18T02:33:00.692+01:002015-04-18T02:33:00.692+01:00Important to note for point 11 that when campaigni...Important to note for point 11 that when campaigning for beer in any legal sense of the word (be that duty, guest beer, etc) under EU competition law no distinction can be made in legislation between different forms of dispense. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-24059410698270021592015-04-17T23:42:29.446+01:002015-04-17T23:42:29.446+01:00It's about information, really. I've no id...It's about information, really. I've no idea whether Jeffrey's right or not, because I don't know which - if any - of the 'craft' keg beers I've had have been key keg, let alone which of them could have qualified as RA.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-29905131732129055592015-04-17T22:59:30.259+01:002015-04-17T22:59:30.259+01:00I blame the landlords who don't know how to ha...I blame the landlords who don't know how to handle it properly.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-84203654275492102592015-04-17T22:27:04.195+01:002015-04-17T22:27:04.195+01:00Regarding motion 15, if it is going to get passed ...Regarding motion 15, if it is going to get passed try and get in an amendment to the effect that the label attached to such "real ales in a keykeg" mention to customers the beer will be cold, flat and fuckin grim which it invariably is.<br /><br />Lightly carbonated keg beer - worst of all worlds.Stonchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07001578598975666535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-47695080045250136232015-04-17T10:48:04.921+01:002015-04-17T10:48:04.921+01:005, 11 & 12 definitely interesting.
I'm gu...5, 11 & 12 definitely interesting.<br /><br />I'm guessing that the point of 15 is partly about forcing CAMRA folk to deal with a little bit of the sort of woolly thinking that treats "keg", "not Real Ale as defined by CAMRA", "cold and fizzy" and "awful beer" as being approximately equivalent. To make the point that the cask vs keg distinction isn't as simple as people might think, and if you're going to be dogmatic about secondary fermentation and no extraneous CO2 then you might not always like the results...DaveSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-86275059994894244642015-04-17T10:17:55.885+01:002015-04-17T10:17:55.885+01:005 is a cracker and, wow, 12 is a real nose-off-to-...5 is a cracker and, wow, 12 is a real nose-off-to-spite-face job.<br /><br />15 is a jolly interesting one indeed. A lot of Keykeg beer is fully compliant with CAMRA's definition (inasmuch as any beer can be), but lacks the peripheral theatrics of a handpump or gravity dispense. I guess it comes down to: do we want more people choosing Real Ale even when it comes from a keg, or is the risk of choosing a beer with the wrong kind of CO2 by mistake too high.<br /><br />Have a great weekend!The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-74545902176076352322015-04-17T09:04:22.614+01:002015-04-17T09:04:22.614+01:00Fair comment at the end of the day - 10-13 is Cask...Fair comment at the end of the day - 10-13 is Cask Marque's recommended range for cask, so aiming for 13 doesn't leave any room for manoeuvre. Shame the guy was so defensive - it sounds like what he was really saying was "we can't afford a proper cooling setup for all this beer, so we've set the aircon as low as it will go", which is a perfectly legitimate tradeoff. Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.com