tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post5929678153093318468..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Fed Up and FearfulUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-72136706281401053912022-03-29T08:37:28.847+01:002022-03-29T08:37:28.847+01:00Technologistan is the popoular and most trustworth...Technologistan is the popoular and most trustworthy resource for technology, telecom, business and auto news in PakistanJohnwilliamhttps://www.technologistan.pk/audi-price-in-pakistan-2021-audi-a3-price-in-pakistan-models-features/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-51627700150795369722020-12-16T19:23:16.961+00:002020-12-16T19:23:16.961+00:00@mudgie
Rather than sides being split down the mid...@mudgie<br />Rather than sides being split down the middle in this issue I'm more inclined to think most heat and noise is made in the media, both mainstream and social, but a majority of people are not on social media and their views are rarely known or listened to.<br />It's why my own view is that most people think the government is doing the best it can in difficult circumstances and most approve of the current measures regarding wet-led pubs.<br />Because we're all communicating on beer blogs we often assume everyone shares our enthusiasm for a good session.They don't.<br />And on Boris being a dick - surprisingly this may be the reason for his continued popularity.He's fallible, a bit of a handful when there's drink on board and makes mistakes.In other words just like everyone else.<br />You don't become Mayor of London,twice,then an MP, Foreign Secretary and Prime Minister with a big majority by being a jackass.<br />I realise,however, that not everyone might share this view ...Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-48954751076540442222020-12-16T17:12:00.295+00:002020-12-16T17:12:00.295+00:00Unknown should know better than to offer me out.
...Unknown should know better than to offer me out.<br /><br />"while Boris is a dick, I wouldn't want his job" hardly equates to "riding to the defence of Boris". It is an observation, not an endorsement of him in any way.<br /><br />I think, as stated, he is a dick." I also think like the Prof, he isn't going anywhere.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-12297724471876807452020-12-16T15:50:12.384+00:002020-12-16T15:50:12.384+00:00"In fact I suspect antipathy towards the Gove...<i>"In fact I suspect antipathy towards the Government's handling of the pandemic is largely among embittered Remainers."</i> <br /><br />Hmm, I would have thought, very broadly speaking, there was a correlation between Brexiteers and lockdown sceptics, and Remoaners and extreme lockdown fanatics. With exceptions either way, of course.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-48834977258214474972020-12-16T12:52:41.458+00:002020-12-16T12:52:41.458+00:00Getting rid of Boris ?
His approval ratings are mu...Getting rid of Boris ?<br />His approval ratings are much higher than Sir Kneel-a-lot and overall the Tories are down just six points in the polls from last December's general election trouncing of Labour.<br />There's also no indication that the Tories hold over Labour seats they won is weakening as they deliver on their Brexit promise very shortly.<br />He isn't going anywhere.<br />In fact I suspect antipathy towards the Government's handling of the pandemic is largely among embittered Remainers. What's truly amazing is how many trade and constitutional law experts were hiding a light under their bushel that they were also expert epidemiologists.<br />Who'd a thunk it.Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-38589093612280647322020-12-16T12:24:59.407+00:002020-12-16T12:24:59.407+00:00People have short memories. Last March it was thre...People have short memories. Last March it was three weeks to flatten the curve, how did that one go? On the same basis Professor Pie wants "just a few more months" of lockdown" which on past form will morph into just a few more years or more. At the same time the wise professor tells us that the health service isn't overloaded, so is he really saying that lockdown aren't needed on that basis? Let's be realistic though, seasonal acute respiratory infections arrive every winter and going by by acute and ICU bed occupancies, this winter isn't anything special. <br /><br />As for jetting off to the Caribbean, that sounds like fun, until you or one of your family/party fail the pre-flight Covid test. If you do all make it on to the plane then you'll sit for 8 hours or so masked up and recycling your own exhaust as well as everyone else's. Now that sounds like great fun. How much better and safer to be in a ventilated bar with a gleaming pint of freshly drawn cask ale?<br /><br />As for Tandleman riding to the defence of Boris, I really didn't see that one coming. Boris wanted to be prime minister, he wasn't forced. However, he isn't remotely up to the job, only believing what the last crooked advisor he spoke to, tells him. Boris lacks any sense of judgement, or sense for that matter. He should do us all a favour and clear off before things get much worse. Getting rid of Boris isn't the answer, but it will be a vital first step, if we are to regain even the slightest semblance of normality.<br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04264777762488314939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-77006563056935721802020-12-16T10:34:35.246+00:002020-12-16T10:34:35.246+00:00I can't pass the judgement of Solomon here as ...I can't pass the judgement of Solomon here as there is value in both sides of the argument. I do think though that there has been huge efforts to make pubs safe and with the mitigations of restricted numbers, social distancing, table service,track and trace, ventilation et al., there is scope here, especially if a crackdown on any abusers accompanies it.<br /><br />But I hear too what the Prof says and while Boris is a dick, I wouldn't want his job.<br /><br />Either way, we just have to suck it up, but these infections are coming from somewhere and it ain't pubs and restaurants according to data.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-662048491751523502020-12-16T09:24:46.840+00:002020-12-16T09:24:46.840+00:00It's a funny old world.
Britain becomes the fi...It's a funny old world.<br />Britain becomes the first country to start vaccinations.<br />Its Christmas lockdown regulations are some of the most relaxed in Europe.<br />Vast sums of money have been spent on business support schemes and furloughs for employees this year.<br />Bars providing food and restaurants are open in many areas.<br />Holidaymakers can still jet off to the Caribbean if they wish.<br />And the health service hasn't been overwhelmed at what is traditionally the worst time of year for it.<br />Yet some people still complain.<br />The fact is there is broad support for the way this government is tackling the pandemic.<br />Opinion polls, yes those again, repeatedly bear this out.<br />I miss the pub as much as the next person but another few months is not going to kill me whereas at my age the virus might.<br />Perspective lads please.Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-51361079444931504772020-12-16T07:57:03.195+00:002020-12-16T07:57:03.195+00:00@Prof - what people tell opinion pollsters and wha...@Prof - what people tell opinion pollsters and what they actually do are often entirely different things.<br /><br />I get the impression that huge numbers of people are just quietly getting on with socialising with friends and family in private homes which, so long as you keep a fairly low profile, is impossible to police.<br /><br />Sweden has done no worse than the UK in terms of total deaths and hasn't torched its economy in the process.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-66347883362469428492020-12-15T20:43:06.348+00:002020-12-15T20:43:06.348+00:00You are cherrypicking, but still picking the wrong...You are cherrypicking, but still picking the wrong ones. Sweden has done better than the UK and has not voluntarily liquidated its own economy à la UK. Of course, Ireland decided to self-destruct, after it was rumoured two people had sneezed on a bus in Waterford. <br /><br />As for the mastermind Johnson he has to go, even if he is replaced by the devil himself. Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-73778385194954319782020-12-15T16:52:38.093+00:002020-12-15T16:52:38.093+00:00@Professor Pie Tin. After all the shit that's ...@Professor Pie Tin. After all the shit that's been thrown at the British public since March, you just know in your heart, that inside Boris Johnson there is a wonderful warm human who is sadly having to do the right thing which the "science" dictates. Oh dear me, what are you on, it must be so much stronger than Guinness. Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-16210305381739255492020-12-15T16:11:59.616+00:002020-12-15T16:11:59.616+00:00Look at the positive side - going 9 months without...<br />Look at the positive side - going 9 months without visiting a pub for a few pints suddenly made me realise just how pissed off the missus must have been while pregnant and not drinking or smoking.<br />And she loved her drink and fags.<br />And she did it twice.<br />And instead of finishing each time with a massive piss-up she spent hours in labour while her useless husband cracked jokes and promised to film everything in close-up so the kids could watch themselves being born.That last idea was a deal-breaker by the way.<br />The one thing I've noticed is how rarely I watch or listen to the news these days compared to the beginning of the pandemic.It's become a non-stop blame game when, in reality, I doubt any politician would have done any different to the current PM.<br />And I have enormous sympathy for the situation Boris finds himself in - the scientists give him their advice and it is almsot invariably against every political instinct he has to follow it but follow it he must as lives are at risk.<br />I've no doubt that spell in ICU weighs heavy on his mind too.<br />The lockdowns have been much more severe here in Ireland and they still retain much public support.Despite what we, the inveterate topers would like to think, I suspect a similar view prevails in the UK.<br />Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-17044406870640043082020-12-14T20:06:36.515+00:002020-12-14T20:06:36.515+00:00Excellent piece, but one quibble, the problem isn&...Excellent piece, but one quibble, the problem isn't the coronavirus, it is government restrictions that are choking the life out of the hospitality sector and the country as a whole. <br /><br />The Coronavirus "pandemic", is actually no worse than a somewhat baddish seasonal flu and it has a survival rate of over 99.7%, so it isn't The Plague or the Black Death or anything remotely like them. We have never closed the country down for a seasonal flu or a flulike illness, so why is this time so different and WTF is really going on?<br /><br />By the way Bill Gates now says that bars, pubs and restaurants should stay closed until at least 2022 and Bill always seems to knows what's going to happen these days, a bit funny that, but I mustn't stray into the realm of conspiracy fact, that would never do. However, not in dispute, is that not much of the hospitality sector will be left by 2021, never mind 2022. And will 2022 when it's here then become just until 2024 or whenever. Now of course, they know that they are killing the trade and the inevitable landslide of pub/bar restaurant closures seems to me to be wholly intentional. <br /><br />By the way the dullard Matt Hancock, is now trying to peddle the arrival of a mutated strain of coronavirus. Now there's a real surprise and once again another fast tracked and hardly tested money spinning vaccine will be on the way <br /><br />It looks for all the world as if we are being scammed and big time at that. Is it now time for us to mount the barricades and try to save what's left of our fast sinking country, or should we just open another can and doze off in front of the tele? Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-2983734512124200982020-12-14T19:05:50.358+00:002020-12-14T19:05:50.358+00:00A lovely piece. Well done (honestly) on following ...A lovely piece. Well done (honestly) on following the rules <br />.<br />I'm a bit conflicted on risk. Personally I'd been to about 260 pubs in the 4 months from July to October, and felt very safe as they clearly followed the rules better than anyone could expect (as did the vast majority of customers).<br /><br />It's obvious (isn't it ?) that cases and deaths had virtually dried up by August, despite pubs re-opening, only to spike when schools and Universities returned.<br /><br />But then I read this piece about transmission in the Los Angeles Times,<br /><br />https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-12-09/five-minutes-from-20-feet-away-south-korean-study-shows-perils-of-indoor-dining-for-covid-19<br /><br />and I feel a little nervous again.<br /><br />But I'd still be in a pub tomorrow if they were open.retiredmartinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-21449981343085717072020-12-14T09:54:28.347+00:002020-12-14T09:54:28.347+00:00Talking to the landlord of my local on Saturday. H...Talking to the landlord of my local on Saturday. He says that after the first lockdown and the eat-out scheme, their turnover stabilised at around 40% down on last year. Since the recent lockdown ended, he is around 80% down compared to normal and we are in Tier 2. Coupled to that, in December they normally turnover double what they do in other months because of all the Christmas parties etc., none of which are happening this year. <br /><br />There are vaccines being rolled out, but even the best case scenario means this is going to continue until at least June or July. Now that financial support for pubs has pretty much dried up, I fully expect we will see a lot of pubs shutting up shop either until this is over or for good. It's not a rosy picture.Beermunsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564489130909572144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-62892164356076270062020-12-13T20:20:40.507+00:002020-12-13T20:20:40.507+00:00An excellent piece TM, and for all who have concer...An excellent piece TM, and for all who have concerns for the future of our pubs, a very poignant one. Here, in the far south-eastern corner of the kingdom, we in Kent are also in Tier 3, after having gone into the November lockdown in Tier 1.<br /><br />I’m not going to rehash the arguments over what has gone wrong, or the suspicion that other, less salubrious parts of the county have dragged us down. Unfortunately, we’re in this together, and we feel the pain of the good folk of Greater Manchester – an area I have fond memories of, from my student days.<br /><br />Fortunately, I’ve been able to have kept working throughout the pandemic, so I haven’t suffered the feelings of loneliness and isolation that so many others have. I never thought I’d feel as grateful as I have, at just turning up at the factory entrance, Monday to Friday and enjoying the company and of my fellow human beings and the interaction that takes place in virtually all workplaces, across the globe.<br /><br />Us humans are very much social creatures; a fact these po-faced epidemiologists fail to take into account. By concentrating purely on infection levels, R-rates and hospital capacity, they are missing the bigger picture, and failing to see the mental health and poverty issues that will undoubtedly increase, as a result of their handling of the pandemic. <br /><br />As you so rightly put it TM, this is just being alive, rather than really living. For me, their closure of the entire hospitality sector in Tier 3 areas, has sucked all the joy and excitement out of life. My work colleagues feel the same, where once the talk had been of, “What are you up to at the weekend?” or “How was your weekend?” now it’s of TV sporting events, solo walks in the country – too wet for them at the moment, or “Which takeaway beers did you manage to track down?”<br /><br />My colleagues and I have it easy though, our order book is full and we’re working flat out. It’s the pubs, restaurants and hotels I really feel for, particularly at what should be the busiest time of the year for them. To learn that politics plays a roll here, rather than science, is doubly disturbing, especially when it turns out schools are far responsible for spreading the virus, than HMG would have us believe.<br /><br />An interesting piece on that from Der Spiegel, and a powerful cry from the heart from that pub landlady, who must be at the end of her tether, both emotionally and financially. I’m not sure what the answer is although, as is normally the case, common sense would go a long way in solving some of these issues.<br /><br />I know it’s a cliché, but stay strong, stay safe and we’ll see one another on the other side of this!<br />Paul Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678639237696546268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-23563727009151167502020-12-13T16:27:01.656+00:002020-12-13T16:27:01.656+00:00I cannot help thinking that a small number of inci...I cannot help thinking that a small number of incidents in which pubs have ignored social distancing are driving the government's current policies. They have been widely reported in the media and are easy for the policy-makers to point at. Hence, 0.1 per cent of publicans and punters have ruined things for the careful 99.9 per cent. <br /><br />The problem is that the government seem determined to decide their policies and then to find some statistics, however random, to support them. The government's use of statistics is like the drunk's use of a lamppost - more for support than illumination. <br /><br />Given that many pubs are dead in January anyway, I suspect that many publicans might favour a lockdown early in the New Year if it could be guaranteed that restrictions would be lifted well before the start of Spring. The problem is that we are likely to have a lockdown and then have to endure further restrictions thereafter. And the latter will have all of the inconsistencies and frustrations of the current tier system.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-37208996019858866622020-12-13T15:46:38.099+00:002020-12-13T15:46:38.099+00:00(Apologies for the woefully inadequate variety of ...(Apologies for the woefully inadequate variety of my vocabulary...!)Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-26193580363704679712020-12-13T15:43:35.694+00:002020-12-13T15:43:35.694+00:00I hate lockdown (and Tier 3 might just as well be ...I hate lockdown (and Tier 3 might just as well be lockdown AFAIC) - I know it hasn't been good for my physical or mental health. I miss pubs. The support both workers and businesses have received from the government has been woefully inadequate and uneven (and I dread to think what will happen when the current support package ends) - and the government's response to the pandemic generally has betrayed some very unattractive prejudices and stereotypical assumptions, including favouring restaurants over pubs and the South over the North.<br /><br />I agree with all of that.<br /><br />And yet.<br /><br />The trouble is, Covid has a tendency to spread; if we leave it alone the figures will go up (again). If the figures are going up - or even holding steady - we need to do more to drive them down; and if they're going down, we need to keep on doing whatever we're doing until they bump into zero (and even then we need to avoid doing anything stupid, like paying people to go out and socialise). Relaxing what we're doing now - with deaths still coming down nationally but hospital admissions rising steadily - would be disastrous.<br /><br />Why pubs? Out of offices, shops, schools, cinemas, restaurants and pubs, the first three may be doing a lot more to spread the virus than the last three, but they're also more essential. We have to do something to stop people gathering together indoors, and closing pubs is something. I'd have more sympathy with the 'why pubs?' argument if people were saying that restaurants should be closed for dining as well, not that pubs should reopen. Or that pubs should reopen but schools should close, or everyone should be instructed to work from home, like we were during the first lockdown. (Well, everyone except bar staff.)<br /><br />Nobody's saying pubs are expendable. The trouble is, <b>nothing</b>'s expendable - anything that large numbers of people were regularly doing in February would be missed if those people couldn't do it any more. So something needs to be put on hold, just until vaccination starts taking effect and the figures are low for good. The problem to my mind is the woefully inadequate support available, not only for businesses forced to close but for those effectively being forced to trade at a loss.<br /><br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-69376751575764935192020-12-13T15:29:58.663+00:002020-12-13T15:29:58.663+00:00Cheers Alex. Will amend accordingly.Cheers Alex. Will amend accordingly.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-57131704861527891612020-12-13T15:26:27.154+00:002020-12-13T15:26:27.154+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-56377287688962905062020-12-13T14:42:08.241+00:002020-12-13T14:42:08.241+00:00Good piece, old bean. Absolutely spot on. I think ...Good piece, old bean. Absolutely spot on. I think you mean the Chief Scientific Adviser, though. It was Patrick Vallance who finally admitted there was no scientific evidence to justify targeting pubs. Sat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-31647200613489349522020-12-13T14:35:24.091+00:002020-12-13T14:35:24.091+00:00Yes, very well said. And one of the biggest proble...Yes, very well said. And one of the biggest problems is having no idea when it is all going to end. There was a brief window of hope back in July and August, but that was then extinguished.<br /><br />Clearly this is an unprecedented threat and it's understandable that governments are at a loss how to deal with it. But it's hard to escape the conclusion that much of their response stems from a feeling that "something must be done", and is often motivated more by prejudice than rational analysis.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.com