tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post6550627371804750230..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Nagging WorryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-42561404057455649042010-10-03T14:11:15.766+01:002010-10-03T14:11:15.766+01:00Cookie - I think that comment about the cool young...Cookie - I think that comment about the cool young things and the unenlightened proles was meant ironically, on Tandleman's part at least. It was certainly one of the bits of the Report I was least comfortable with, as I said <a href="http://ohgoodale.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/thoughts-on-the-cask-report-part-2/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Philhttp://ohgoodale.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-22030313050015377712010-10-01T14:40:45.637+01:002010-10-01T14:40:45.637+01:00"the less enlightened head for Tesco and Sain..."the less enlightened head for Tesco and Sainsbury for their slabs of yellow fizz"<br /><br />Before enlightenment a tree is just a tree<br /><br />Upon enlightenment a tree is no longer a tree.<br /><br />After enlightenment a tree is once more a tree.<br /><br />The Buddha said summat like like.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-845415480947436862010-09-29T10:06:37.334+01:002010-09-29T10:06:37.334+01:00You make a very good point about cask ale quality ...You make a very good point about cask ale quality lagging behind its greater popularity. Inevitably the latter will be checked by the former.<br /><br />I haven't read this year's cask ale report (I was sent a copy, but either someone swiped it from the end of the bar) but the last one was very good and the decision to commission Pete Brown to do this was a very good one on behalf of the industry.Stonchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07001578598975666535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-78738233522711576482010-09-28T22:57:57.211+01:002010-09-28T22:57:57.211+01:00I think a slow and steady growth is required - wit...I think a slow and steady growth is required - with trade papers suggesting that 'cask is the trade's saviour' we could be looking at a serious boom and bust.<br /><br />If cask can grow slowly, authentically, not forced, then we'll have something to celebrate.<br /><br />But with consumption dropping at the rate it is, I think those pubs that sell quality cask ale will be the ones to survive - pubs will have to close (there's not enough trade to keep them all open), but those that can sell lager well alongside selling ale well will obviously fare better than those that sell lager alongside poor/no ale.Eddie86https://www.blogger.com/profile/03552007546467495543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-82518091720658747832010-09-28T20:27:43.058+01:002010-09-28T20:27:43.058+01:00RedNev: I may not be that insightful, but I think ...RedNev: I may not be that insightful, but I think I am right to bang on about quality. Not sure either why you feel so negatively towards the report or its author, but it isn't at all a bad piece of work.<br /><br />Zak - I think you are right but I'm more worried about boom and bust, hence my returning to quality so often.<br /><br />Mudgie - Agreed. That's a concern. Not necessarily to individual pubs, but to the overall total.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-51302028431226740592010-09-28T19:52:53.622+01:002010-09-28T19:52:53.622+01:00The other worry of course is that, if total on-tra...The other worry of course is that, if total on-trade beer volumes continue to decline by 5-6% a year, cask cannot hold out against that trend indefinitely. Most pubs that serve cask still sell much more non-cask beer, and could be rendered unviable even if cask volumes are unchanged.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-82871231320511228342010-09-28T19:39:02.819+01:002010-09-28T19:39:02.819+01:00The emphasis on quality is, I think, pretty obviou...The emphasis on quality is, I think, pretty obvious, and hardly an original insight: butchers should sell good meat, bakers fresh bread, restaurants good food, etc.<br /><br />I'm similarly unimpressed by the "revelation" that some drinkers don't always drink real ale. I have known over the years plenty of drinkers who will drink real ale if it's there and if they're in the mood, but often drink smoothflow or lager.<br /><br />The phrase "money for old rope" springs to mind.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-64154029903728851622010-09-28T19:30:29.480+01:002010-09-28T19:30:29.480+01:00I think that Pete is pretty clear in the report in...I think that Pete is pretty clear in the report in saying that cask has expanded its market share without any volume growth.<br /><br />As Cookie point outs, cask is essentially a niche product - important to all of us who love beer, but niche nonetheless. My gut feeling (beer gut feeling?) is that cask is going to actually go into volume growth over the next 12-18 months. That really will be somethng to cheer about.ZakAveryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01794154105596597019noreply@blogger.com