tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post8074616119473448714..comments2024-03-29T07:17:26.082+00:00Comments on Tandleman's Beer Blog: Premium PricesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-5943361196325492692009-11-29T09:25:28.983+00:002009-11-29T09:25:28.983+00:00Jeffrey. I think that's what I was saying, th...Jeffrey. I think that's what I was saying, though I didn't use the word "trust".<br /><br />Which aspect of the discussion do you find nonsensical as a matter of interest?Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-37474465073422699462009-11-28T20:16:39.376+00:002009-11-28T20:16:39.376+00:00Too warm, not enough co2 absorbed into the beer. P...Too warm, not enough co2 absorbed into the beer. Probably got vented off.<br /><br />I had a pint last night called "From Plant to Pint" that was amazing. Wet Hopped Pale Ale with quite a variety of hops. Served cask conditioned with a breather. It was outa fucking sight, I'm tellin' ya! I think you would have fainted Herr'man upon drinking it. <br /><br />Here's a picture of it:http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z74/Whorst/planttopint.jpgWhorsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01784943453195129865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-63679836648788414512009-11-28T16:43:13.585+00:002009-11-28T16:43:13.585+00:00This argument is nonsensical. The pubs that are tr...This argument is nonsensical. The pubs that are trusted by the customers can command a premium price, because of that trust. Those that aren't, can't. It's simple.Stonchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07001578598975666535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-90727142067189416032009-11-27T14:30:58.304+00:002009-11-27T14:30:58.304+00:00More unsurprised than horrified RedNev. Whadya exp...More unsurprised than horrified RedNev. Whadya expect from the beardie weirdie social inadequates?Cooking Lager is a rip off in pubs anyway. If I have to go in one, I'm usually on whatever's cheap, and that's usually cask. The first gulp might make you wince, but you get used to it.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-27894849595683878822009-11-27T12:48:07.430+00:002009-11-27T12:48:07.430+00:00I didn't see it as a vicious circle but more a...I didn't see it as a vicious circle but more an example of economies of scale, although I do understand the point you're making, Dave. <br /><br />The Baltic Fleet brew pub has recently received well-publicised flak from Liverpool CAMRA for raising its prices significantly, but still only to a level you'd find in many other pubs in the city centre. The pub's explanation was they'd kept the prices too low and had to catch up to be viable. <br /><br />I suppose that would qualify as an example of what you describe as trying to break out of a vicious circle, and also an example of the reaction you can get.<br /><br />CAMRA even suggested that the increase should be transferred to the lager instead. Even I, not a lager drinker, was amazed at the sheer cheek of expecting lager drinkers to subsidise cask beer. It's that kind of attitude that gives CAMRA a bad name. <br /><br />Plus, Cooking Lager would be horrified!Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-70359362160732382592009-11-26T20:56:16.704+00:002009-11-26T20:56:16.704+00:00I can't disagree with you there Tandleman.
Ge...I can't disagree with you there Tandleman.<br /><br />Getting pricing and quality right is an interesting subject. Every pub has its own set of challenges. Getting quality and price right to obtain the volume benefit criticality point can be very difficult indeed. Once obtained success can be ensured. The vicious circle that RedNev rightly indicates can also spiral negatively in a way that even the most skilful can find impossible to break.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-4094834584385255162009-11-26T13:27:01.611+00:002009-11-26T13:27:01.611+00:00Yes, I see the logic of your point, but then I thi...Yes, I see the logic of your point, but then I think: good beer > more sales > increased profits overall > lower profit margins possible per unit > lower prices. This thought is supported by the fact that the two pubs in Southport that are busy and turn over the largest range of ales are not the dearest in town.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-90326937264334830162009-11-26T09:52:04.066+00:002009-11-26T09:52:04.066+00:00I agree, but the fair price may well mean that it ...I agree, but the fair price may well mean that it reflects the time and effort going into ensuring perfection every time. It may in fact cost a little more to return to what Woolpack Dave said.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-29728310344629261582009-11-26T02:10:11.825+00:002009-11-26T02:10:11.825+00:00I don't generally find a relationship between ...I don't generally find a relationship between beer price and beer quality. Surely it's a fair price, not a high one, we should be hoping for. For once, I find myself agreeing with Cooking Lager.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-44543245685140798052009-11-26T01:10:49.181+00:002009-11-26T01:10:49.181+00:00Rob - Entirely possible but also doubtful for theo...Rob - Entirely possible but also doubtful for theory one, but not out of the question. This wasn't some dodgy micro. Theory two - also possible.<br /><br />Theory three? It was over vented, kept too warm and possibly too long, under less than optimum conditions.<br /><br />Whatever, it should not have been put on sale. It wasn't remotely right and any cellarman / bar manager worth his salt would have known that.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-55334045359997646432009-11-25T23:28:09.681+00:002009-11-25T23:28:09.681+00:00Looks to me like ether:
1: The cask was racked wit...Looks to me like ether:<br />1: The cask was racked with beer already very bright, meaning there was a lack of yeast in the cask, or:<br /><br />2: the a combination of bright beer in the cask and the cask being put on too early, not allowing any condition to form even if it had the potential to.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15686907092077149244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-48301264509083414082009-11-25T23:26:42.529+00:002009-11-25T23:26:42.529+00:00Variation in quality is always frustrating to the ...Variation in quality is always frustrating to the ale fan. It certainly is one of the reasons why keg sells in such quantities. It is a worry that some pubs still don't fully understand the quality thing. High prices can only be commanded by consistent quality.Paul Garrardhttp://www.realaleblog.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-59533762749473843192009-11-25T20:38:15.015+00:002009-11-25T20:38:15.015+00:00Just for the record : I'm opposed to the right...Just for the record : I'm opposed to the right to arm bears. #o)<br /><br />As to the main issue, well, depends what one considers a premium product. In the world of beer, that appears to be, more often than not, just crap mass-market lager whose brand is supported by a few dozen million Euros, £££ or whatever in marketing...Laurent Moussonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381315158768575211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-58457295451534884812009-11-25T16:44:23.568+00:002009-11-25T16:44:23.568+00:00Captain Jack
I don't know about 70 comments, ...Captain Jack<br /><br />I don't know about 70 comments, but his fart would probably clear 70 people out of a room. <br /><br />Tandles<br /><br />Just be grateful you didn't start a post about the right to bear arms...Sat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-21660793396437682272009-11-25T16:05:10.172+00:002009-11-25T16:05:10.172+00:00It’s about balance. If a publican thinks his beer ...It’s about balance. If a publican thinks his beer is good he should charge a premium for it. Charge too much and you loose the custom that lead to good turnover and the good beer.Tommy Nnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-80675849735878601462009-11-25T13:52:31.688+00:002009-11-25T13:52:31.688+00:00Maybe less so now, but in the days when most pubs ...Maybe less so now, but in the days when most pubs were tied there was often an inverse relationship between price and beer quality. The cheaper brewers produced better beer, and within tied estates the cheaper pubs were often the best.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-87748106431768256172009-11-25T12:38:40.389+00:002009-11-25T12:38:40.389+00:00'If your beer is always good - and it can be i...'If your beer is always good - and it can be if you know your stuff - go ahead and charge a premium.'<br /><br />Bang on - it's got to be up to individual pubs to say 'yes - our beer is that good and we deserve a proper margin on it.'<br /><br />And if it is that good, it'll deserve it, too.John Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15471796457374078158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-38597393387086686832009-11-25T12:36:05.565+00:002009-11-25T12:36:05.565+00:00Happy to add numero 5, but what is wrong with a go...Happy to add numero 5, but what is wrong with a good cheap pint? If beer is a staple of life, liquid bread and all that, a good pint ought to be cheap and enjoyed by all. Expensive pubs are not proper pubs, any thing exclusive cannot be a proper pub. A proper pub is inclusive to all.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-71605938971902747682009-11-25T12:30:21.542+00:002009-11-25T12:30:21.542+00:00Great stuff.Do you remember the days when Biffo go...Great stuff.Do you remember the days when Biffo got 70 comments on his blog? Now it's just his mate from round the corner,his granny and the odd Mexican student.I reckon you would only have to fart to get 70 comments you're that big now.<br /><br />Captain JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-3246259595507018022009-11-25T09:51:36.441+00:002009-11-25T09:51:36.441+00:00The Dispensary? I know it's ELAC's PotY bu...The Dispensary? I know it's ELAC's PotY but some local members seem to think it's not up to much.<br /><br />And next time you're passing through London, let me know. <br /><br />I live in E6 but often drink in the lower Es (E2 and E3 if you can tear yourself away from E1)."Eddie Rowles"https://www.blogger.com/profile/16504751692086571702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-75428666824056036062009-11-25T09:06:54.689+00:002009-11-25T09:06:54.689+00:00I haven't been counting others, but that subje...I haven't been counting others, but that subject has a load of nutters commenting. Come to think of it...... No don't go there! (-;Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8629758183547510158.post-13859562267933006622009-11-25T09:01:49.416+00:002009-11-25T09:01:49.416+00:00The Stephen Spielberg of Beer Bloggers, eh? Of cou...The Stephen Spielberg of Beer Bloggers, eh? Of course you realise that unless this post gains 70 comments, it will be judged a failure:) I actually wouldn't be surprised if the smoking discussion becomes your first 100+ postSat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.com