Back from Brazil
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Again. Yesterday. I had a great time, as always. Those Brazilians know how
to have a good time. What crazy van journeys.
This time I was in Bahia. A prop...
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Tandleman's Random and Particular Thoughts on Beer.
11 comments:
that's not a clear sky, looks a bit cloudy/ Why is there no warning of a cloudy sky before you accept a new morning?
It's always a bit cloudy in Miggy. A cross we have to bear.
"How come[...]?"
Dirt + Incompetence. Stupidity + Greed.
Surely not? Just bung a peg in and serve. That's all there is to it. The beer is ready. Isn't it?
If that were the case, you'd never get a gone-off pint of keg beer and wine (fined and stabilised) wouldn't change as it aged.
Just because conditioning isn't happening doesn't mean there aren't all sorts of other biochemical shenanigans going on in the cask.
Well keg is different in that there is a widespread supposition that it lasts and lasts. It doesn't.
I think the shenanigans are more likely to happen in the cellar, but of course that affects the cask, so it's a moot point.
There is a more serious point of course in that it should be easier in theory not top cock up a supposed brewery conditioned cask beer than it obviously is.
I suppose it all boils down to good products served and kept badly. Didn't that famous beer writer chappie, Grey or Green, or something like that make this sort of point recently?
" it should be easier in theory not top cock up a supposed brewery conditioned cask beer"
Quite the reverse, I would say. Why do bottle-conditioned beers age better, in general, than filtered and/or pasteurised ones? Why do breweries shipping beer abroad for bottling ship it live, to be pasteurised at the bottling plant? Because the flavour of beer with live yeast in it is better able to survive injuries. It heals. The price for this robustness is occasional inconsistency.
I did say in theory. Of course these beers aren't going all over the world, but even so.
I sound like I'm arguing against myself. It is the wider point in a different argument.
I agree with Nick. I mean you.
I think it might be something to do with yeast protecting beer by mopping up trace oxygen. That and brewers choosing to bottle condition beers that have good aging potential (darker, stronger, less hop-forward?) Of course, excess yeast can produce more-or-less unattractive flavours cos of autolysis and that. So it's not without problems of its own.
Most bad cask beer I've had (that wasn't frankly infected) was just flat, or stale and/or warm. With occasional outbreaks of "not really dropped bright yet" and "a bit green".
Always sensible to agree with me!
My Twitter feed is apparently hosed, because I only saw bits and pieces of whatever back-n-forth there was.
I nearly always prefer bottle-conditioned ale to non-b-c, if only on principle, that it's more natural, less industrialised.
IPA-obsessed kids at places like r8beer today apparently think filtering is better for keeping hoppy beer fresh and whinge whenever an IPA is bottle-conditioned. The sort of kids that think you have to drink such beer within a week of bottling, anyway.
Beer is complicated and conditioning doesn't simplify it. Levels of residual fermentabiity, yeast counts and yeast health all make a big difference. Ideal conditioning time can vary hugely between breweries and beers.
One way of keeping it simple is to employ a committed and skilled cellar person who handles, understands and tastes the beer.(Not some twerp who thinks filter pans are acceptable practice) JC
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