Wednesday 29 April 2020

A Daft Idea but a Serious Problem


Do you notice when reading the press, that we often tend to get people who know nothing about pubs, writing about pubs, reporting about pubs and offering opinions about pubs?  I mentioned one piece here recently and now I've read another. I bet there are more if I look hard enough.

This one, from the Mail Online is a beauty - though in fairness even the DM seems doubtful - and well it might be.  Professor Eyal Winter of Lancaster University, a lockdown adviser to the Government, has suggested that some restrictions will still be needed when pubs re-open. Well hardly a surprise. What he suggests is though somewhat left field. In order to ensure pubs aren't too full of the thirsty and pub starved, and to aid social distancing, he proposes that after two or three pints you should be asked to leave. If you don't comply he anticipates those flouting the rules should be fined. Seems there are rumbling fears that some people would behave unacceptably as soon as lockdown measures cease and pubs are likely candidates for such behaviour.  In that of course, he may just have a point - though actually most drinkers behave absolutely reasonably - but isn't it axiomatic that the cure must be better than the illness?  Impractical and potentially unfair rules, may precipitate  the very behaviour that is being worried about.

Now drinking under whatever new restrictions are imposed - and I'll come back to this - is hardly likely to be overly conducive to good cheer, but this is a rather odd one. Would there be a time limit imposed? Who would monitor and police this rather optimistic policy? If another pub is open won't these rascally drinkers just decant and start again elsewhere?  Will you have a card stamped with a time as you go in and a burly operative come and hoy you out onto the pavement when your time is up? Fines? How exactly? Can't see the Police fancying enforcing this one. It appears to be pretty unworkable to anyone who knows how pubs and drinking actually work in practice.

Actually, in places, the prof isn't entirely off beam in what he says.  He also said  "One of the most important things is to have a programme to say 'in two weeks we will do such and such' You need to make the rules crystal clear and explain the rationale behind each one of them." That is sensible enough. Apply it to his own proposal and you might just kick it into some very long grass.

Moving on, it is beyond doubt there much thinking yet to be done in this area. Pubs are tricky places to deal with, unlike, say, shops, or Garden Centres. Social distancing is counterintuitive for pubgoers and you usually want to go to the pub for some undefined time. You can't have a one in one out policy very easily - or a time limit for individuals - and even if  some unpalatable proposals are probable, they have to have the benefit of clarity, fairness and practicality. Not an easy problem to solve.

Clearly social distancing won't go away but it really is hard to see how it could operate in pubs, especially smaller ones.  There are other considerations too.  It seems highly improbable that opening pubs in vastly reduced circumstances would be likely to solve the financial difficulties of most of these businesses.  On the other hand, putting aside whether it is financially a goer, would a highly restrictive policy of operation be attractive to customers if they couldn't, for example, mix with friends? Would there any longer be a point to pub going, where social intercourse and mingling with others in the very nature of the beast?

These are complex issues and I for one feel rather uneasy about what might happen next. 

I kind of get the worrying feeling that re-opening pubs is an all or nothing thing. A halfway house is very hard to achieve.

 Having written this, I hope there is a good solution. I'm sorry I can't suggest one.

18 comments:

The Beer Nut said...

I think you're spot on here. Every publican I trust has said there are no compromise measures possible in the pub. I know one who tried it in good faith before the lockdown and said it just isn't effective. I now distrust anyone who claims to have a solution for how do do pubs before the virus is no longer a threat.

Cooking Lager said...

I think the prof was simply thinking aloud, but he raises an interesting dilemma.

That is you can alter the process of a shop to implement social distancing with minor inconveniences all round. People appear willing to comply and queue outside the Aldi because they need groceries and there's nothing else to do so whatever.

For other retail operations there are problems. Either the inconvenience negates the point of the activity or the costs make it uneconomic.

A nearby Spoons is big enough to enact social distancing between tables but is it economically viable with a fraction of the footfall? You can't implement social distancing in some pubs if there are more than a handful of punters. Airlines have the same issue. The economics require seat occupancy not a handful of people spread out.

Don't know the answer, but I guess pubs will be the last to open, last to normalise and frankly the least important thing for governments to bail out. Especially when the bailouts go to Caymans Islands property companies. There's an argument for letting them go under and letting administrators release cheap freeholds into a recovering post pandemic economy.






Boozy Procrastinator said...

Pubs should stand as the ultimate in adult free choice.

Exempt them from any rules and let each pub and the punters decide if being alive is the same as feeling alive.

Curmudgeon said...

The proposal also illustrates another example of how these people really don't understand pubs very much. I'd guess that occasions where someone drinks more than three pints in a single pub in a single session only represent a small minority of total pub visits. Pubs in general aren't full of boozy blokes throwing beer down their necks, although obviously some are at some times.

Clearly pubs can't operate under strict six-foot social distancing, but it's possible to imagine some restrictions that would be workable, such as capacity limits and banning standing at the bar. While it has a different drinking culture, in Sweden, which didn't apply a strict lockdown, bars were required to space out tables and limited to table service.

It's easy to say that pubs don't really matter in the overall scheme of things, but they are only a subset of the wider tourism and hospitality industry, which is the third biggest sector of the economy. Until that can be restored to something approaching normality, we're still going to be in the economic doldrums. And it can't really function without what could be broadly described as "eat-in catering".

Paul Bailey said...

I’ve seen suggestions that the 2 metre social-distancing figure was plucked out of thin air, with some researchers proposing that 1 metre is sufficient, whilst other so-called “experts” would have each individual sitting isolated in the middle of a field.

Like others posting here, I’m not sure what the answer is for pubs, but table service, combined with limits, tailored to the needs of each individual pub, could be one way of allowing a gradual reopening.

Sooner or later though, we will have to wake up to the fact that you can’t keep societies locked up forever, which leaves either to a vaccine being developed (the ultimate and best solution), or following the Swedish model of allowing the virus to spread, in a slow and controlled way throughout the general population.

The availability of anti-viral drugs (being trialled at the moment), would mitigate the risk to those unfortunate individuals who react badly to the virus, whist allowing immunity to build up in the rest of population who remain largely unaffected.

Aaron P said...

Just spitballing but how about open the pubs without restrictions for a month, then close for a month. The goal should not be to reduce deaths to zero but down to a manageable level. This way deaths would oscillate below NHS full capacity. Not very good for cashflow admittedly, but it might be better done this way rather than piecemeal reduction of restrictions.

Spinko said...

To begin with, could we nominate one pub we would visit. This would limit mass interactions across groups - most would choose one very close to home.

You could even close the toilets to make sure people only chose their local...

John Lamb said...

A possible solution is a phased re opening of various types of businesses with monitoring of the transmission rates of the disease,if businesses where a greater degree of social distancing is possible,such as shops,do not cause a significant increase in the transmission rate then businesses such as bars and restaurants can be reopened with some confidence that the disease is under control. Disease is unlikely to be eradicated totally and some risk taking is inevitable as it is in life generally. Operators may wish to consider taking some steps such as installing heat sensitive cameras at entrances and preventing customers from congregating around the serving area

electricpics said...

It's all very well discussing social distancing for pub customers, but no one seems interested in how staff will be able to work and keep apart. In all but very few, this won't be possible at all.

Fred said...

'Spoons other big trump-card is the app. Table service only, no going to the bar and no cash or cards and chip "n" pin to worry about. Doesn't help the micropubs and traditional houses, and doesn't help many of 'Spoons older drinkers, but that won't worry Tim as his branches will be open and putting takings into the bank.

Tandleman said...

Yes. Overlooked by me as well. Good point.

Curmudgeon said...

Not sure that workers in supermarkets or takeaway kitchens are exercising strict social distancing at present. And it wouldn't prevent a small pub run by an individual or a couple from opening.

Tandleman said...

I think there us very little social distancing by staff in smaller supermarkets. I was shouted at for nipping across an aisle - empty - as the down direction was occupied and I didn't need anything there anyway. Fair enough but the staff going about their business and sticking shelves repeatedly brushed past me and other customers.

All very tricky.

Tandleman said...

Stocking even. I should have pointed that out but they are doing their best in difficult circumstances. Can't see it working easily in pubs.

What about toilet visits, glass sanitation and so much more?

Fred said...

Of course, if 'Spoons did go down the app only route, that would be the end of guest ales in their branches. The constant changing of guest ales means that they aren't available via the app. It would probably not worry 'Spoons managers if they could discontinue guest ales and just carry the "trio of doom" - Abbot, Doom Bar and Ruddles.

Meanwhile, the advantage from the Head Office viewpoint would seem to be the carrying of fewer perishable lines - ie cask ales - if a second lockdown is a possibility.

electricpics said...

@FDed Keg beers are perishable too, just with a longer shelf life when pasteurised. All the keg beer will have been tipped out along with the cask.

Tandleman said...

Or supped.

Curmudgeon said...

I've seen guest ales appear on the Spoons app, but it depends how qiuckly they're updated by the local staff.